☣ Coronavirus ☣
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craig72
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diver
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You’ll get that when the ones in July get booked
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TheGreatRabbit
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At least the official word we get from gov't agencies in the U.S. is that there's no evidence of spread of this coronavirus through food, so that part of eating out should be safe (and likewise I haven't heard any concerns about catching it from delivered food). The risk would be more from eating around other people and from your server.
2H76
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The Lake District tourist industry has been pleading tourists not to go - elderly population, at-risk residents, lack of care facilities, miles from ICU units.... yes, I'm listening, and I won't go to you, but I will send all my love, xxxx, keep safe, see you soon.
Boris - F**k off.
Boris - F**k off.
kimajy
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Whilst people around you and your server are obviously risks, makes no sense. Cough on or near a plate of food, give to someone else who eats it - how is that different from touching something infected and then touching your mouth ? Does the virus mysteriously dematerialize the minute it makes contact with a lettuce leaf ? I guess the hospitality industry would be up in arms if there were any suggestion of risks associated with transfer of virus through prepared food as it would spell long term disaster for their prospects of recovery. Nevertheless I cannot help but apply basic logic and ask the question. After all, how many times does your system get bombarded by germs when you eat out normally ? If saliva killed Coronavirus it wouldn;t survive in your throat ?
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TheGreatRabbit
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My understanding is that eating food is considered low risk because it's not easy to contract this coronavirus through your digestive system. Even if your chef were contagious and they sneezed on your food (ick), pretty much all of that stuff heads straight for your stomach and that part of your body is more resistant and/or your stomach acid is strong enough to kill the virus. The risk with touching your nose or mouth is more about the chance of virus on your hands getting into your sinuses or lungs, areas that are more vulnerable.
And eating food is likely very low risk, but not zero-risk. There likely is some small chance of contracting the virus once it gets into your digestive tract, and also some small chance that enough virus could rub off your food and then manage to get into your lungs or sinuses. But it doesn't seem to be like norovirus that people get on cruise ships and which is easily gotten from eating food.
I'm not an expert of course -- that's just what seems reasonable enough that I'm willing to believe official guidance that restaurant food is low-enough risk to continue to eat that as a relatively healthy individual.
And eating food is likely very low risk, but not zero-risk. There likely is some small chance of contracting the virus once it gets into your digestive tract, and also some small chance that enough virus could rub off your food and then manage to get into your lungs or sinuses. But it doesn't seem to be like norovirus that people get on cruise ships and which is easily gotten from eating food.
I'm not an expert of course -- that's just what seems reasonable enough that I'm willing to believe official guidance that restaurant food is low-enough risk to continue to eat that as a relatively healthy individual.
stivi
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I found this interesting https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them (source not verified so maybe one of our meds can tell us if it sounds accurate)
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MrHullMysterious
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Interesting article. One of the virologists on BBC said it could be as little as 20 virus particles to successfully infect someone with covid, so makes even more worrying reading.
2H76
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It's OK, we can now play golf and tennis in clubs that are, er, closed.
metropolis
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Until now, the major sources of infection have clearly been pubs, bars, football matches, etc.
Think about it, all supermarket cashiers all over Europe have been working for weeks (!) without any protection, there should be thousands of infections, and I do not know of a single supermarket that had to be closed.
The problem are all the experts, who have no experience with Corona, and who spread their opinions all over the world.
craig72
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*Alert + * an old friend used to say when he was on the Billy wizz...
Nostalgic
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Classing every other death as Coronavirus doesnt help either.
Heart attack>coronavirus
Cancer>coronavirus
Broken leg>coronavirus
Anybody got an idea of the numbers purely through Covid and not underlying health conditions?
Alot of the panic is also influenced by the media.
As for the speech last night it seems Boris has said one thing yet the cabinet are saying another.
Johnny Vodka
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Are you saying no supermarket workers have been infected? Do you know how many have been infected or are you just assuming a low number because no supermarkets have been closed? Are you using supermarkets to make a wider point?
mr_why
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Are you saying no supermarket workers have been infected? Do you know how many have been infected or are you just assuming a low number because no supermarkets have been closed? Are you using supermarkets to make a wider point?
I spoke to the lady serving me in my large Sainsburys (Fulham in London) this morning, and she says none of their staff have officially come down with it. All obviously working age population.
And you can throw something at me, and call me evil, but as it stands right now 700 people in the UK of working age, with no underlying health conditions have died (see maths below)! That is 700 too many, but we have a population of near 70million. We have to isolate over 65s, and people with underlying conditions, but no government seems to be insisting on that right now.
My Maths: Let's round deaths up to 35,000. We know 10% of deaths are for working age people (18-65 yr olds), and c80% of them have underlying illnesses. So as it stands, out of a population of c.70 Million, 700 working age people with no health conditions have died.
mrjamiebear
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yeah. It would be helpful to be told how many had died “OF coronavirus“ not “HAD coronavirus“
MrHullMysterious
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That's a tricky one. Someone with diabetes in their 50s+ can live for a good 20+ more years no problem. They get covid and die due to the underlying condition. So is it right or wrong to include their death as a "covid" death? Ditto for been overweight, another underlying condition.
Suppose we are effectively saying covid statistically shortened their lifespan.
mr_why
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You are never ever going to find that out. Same with seasonal flu, a Dr can just assume that was the case on the death certificate. This has been the way of the world since civilisation began.
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