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CasaNegron
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They have already delayed primary elections in several states. A general election could logically be delayed under the same pretense.
Hopefully it won't come to that, but slopes can be quite slippery in times like these. In my opinion the public needs to be very guarded in relinquishing liberties as the government is accustomed to not giving them back in the same form. I knew the world pre911.
I am not liberal or conservative, BTW. I left the Continental US over ten years ago and look back at the county dispassionately. Both the current president and the prior got elected with identical messages, but you would never know it as each side dehumanizes the other. If things start to get real those remaining differences will crumble away along with Maslow's hierarchy.
The world will do what it do.
Stay safe and enjoy your Saturday @B_Falls ? I will get off my soapbox for today....
FlatErik
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Since we talked about Sweden here from time to time...this is interesting....
www.weforum.org
www.foxnews.com
The role of public trust in managing COVID-19: WHO briefing
Sweden's approach – a combination of trust and strategic controls – could provide a key model for other countries.
www.weforum.org
WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world
A top official from The World Health Organization (WHO), praised Sweden on Wednesday as a "model" for the rest of the world, in fighting the novel coronavirus.
2H76
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Well if ever I need my depression turning up a notch....
2H76
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My major gripe - other than the UK not having any sort of plan - is we are continually told what we can't do...and very little effort being put into making stuff we CAN do. The Big Debate here is can we flaming open fecking garden centres. Whoa...hold me down...
As Basil said, it's not a dream, we're stuck with it....so get stuff organised that we can do safely. There are loads of sports and games that are one v one, non contact and outdoors where there's almost zero chance of catching CV. From golf to bowls to badminton to tennis...even pool and snooker don't normally have players snotting over each other.
Just a bit of effort to release us safely would go down well in these towers.
As Basil said, it's not a dream, we're stuck with it....so get stuff organised that we can do safely. There are loads of sports and games that are one v one, non contact and outdoors where there's almost zero chance of catching CV. From golf to bowls to badminton to tennis...even pool and snooker don't normally have players snotting over each other.
Just a bit of effort to release us safely would go down well in these towers.
kimajy
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If you try to do anything on the sea on your own all you will get is a load of people claiming you're risking the emergency services having to rescue you unnecessarily .... whilst they encourage a load of people who probably haven't run anywhere other than the toilet after a curry to start running round the park - and they are very high risk of injuring themselves !! That is unless you are genuinely somewhere remote. There is no comprehension away from run/swim/bike in this country unfortunately. Make your own way quietly and safely away from prying eyes and you can do a lot more than the Daily Fail would have you believe.
Moha
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Since we talked about Sweden here from time to time...this is interesting....
The role of public trust in managing COVID-19: WHO briefing
Sweden's approach – a combination of trust and strategic controls – could provide a key model for other countries.
WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world
A top official from The World Health Organization (WHO), praised Sweden on Wednesday as a "model" for the rest of the world, in fighting the novel coronavirus.
Same article posted twice.
Either, you didn't read or you didn't want to see this sentence:
Ryan cautioned on Sweden's strategy: “It remains to be seen whether [its approach] will be fully successful or not.”
Michael J. Ryan, Chief Executive Director of the World Health Organization Health (WHO) Emergencies Programme
FlatErik
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For the UK folks:
www.thetimes.co.uk
www.thetimes.co.uk
Lockdown: I’m not sure existing through these benighted months counts as living. So are we saving lives?
I occasionally dip into accounts of the great English adventurer George Leigh Mallory. The description of his assault on Everest in 1924 with Andrew “Sandy” Irvine, using only rudimentary equipment, is vivid. The top of the mountain that day was wreathed in mist, preventing the supporting team from
www.thetimes.co.uk
The science is becoming clear: lockdowns are no longer the right medicine
When reports emerged of an epidemic in Wuhan, the capital of China’s Hubei province, policy-makers had to make far-reaching decisions based on extremely limited information. Terrifying statistics led many global leaders to shut their economies and quarantine entire populations.The World Health Organ
www.thetimes.co.uk
FlatErik
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Oh I read that sentence all right. But still...it's weird to see the WHO promoting lockdowns worldwide now saying Sweden could be a model...
chez
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I personally think it's time to lift lockdown for those that are not vulnerable. Probably an unpopular opinion amongst people on here but if we are only to return to normal in a few weeks or months anyway when there will still be no vaccine / cure then what changes? Boris has said we are over the peak, the NHS has been protected thus far with all the hospitals not running normal operations. All we are doing is prolonging the inevitable surely and destroying the economy furtherFor the UK folks:
Lockdown: I’m not sure existing through these benighted months counts as living. So are we saving lives?
I occasionally dip into accounts of the great English adventurer George Leigh Mallory. The description of his assault on Everest in 1924 with Andrew “Sandy” Irvine, using only rudimentary equipment, is vivid. The top of the mountain that day was wreathed in mist, preventing the supporting team from
The science is becoming clear: lockdowns are no longer the right medicine
When reports emerged of an epidemic in Wuhan, the capital of China’s Hubei province, policy-makers had to make far-reaching decisions based on extremely limited information. Terrifying statistics led many global leaders to shut their economies and quarantine entire populations.The World Health Organ
That's just my opinion though
2H76
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Frightening to think we may be on planes with perspex between us, having bloods taken (unlikely I suppose), temperatures, queues outside terminals in the cold/wet/heat etc etc. Then what happens to you if you are abroad, but have a temperature when returning (even if it's just a normal bug?) - do you go to hospital? Find a hotel to self-isolate? What happens to your family - do they have to self-isolate too? Go home??
None of this appeals to me, and I have a feeling that I'll be giving air travel a miss until a vaccine is found. Depending on how more appealing train travel is than this projected senario - I might go to Stiges next year (near Barcelona by train); the worry is if others around europe feel like I do, then the island economies will be crippled.
How's about that fast boat, Ibiza/Mallorca??? Time to get organised?
MrHullMysterious
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Lol. Perspex between people. That will have zero impact on evacuation safety?. Never mind cabin crew having to lean over to give you your drink etc.
All the social distancing stuff on a plane is complete bollox. If there is an infected person with a respiratory illness within 3 rows of you, you are at high risk of catching it.
It's a bit like saying you can social distance in a car by sitting in the back ?
Testing before flying. There are no reliable "quick tests". The fastest antigen test is about 80 mins in a £20k machine that can do one at a time (if lab nearby might be viable). 15 min antibody tests are too unreliable currently (which is what the blood test part is for)
Let's face it, if you are sitting in a tin can for hours on end, there is not a lot you can do. Hence why some countries enforce quarantine to do antigen tests days apart to endure you've not got it. (False negatives can happen with antigen tests)
2H76
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I think the pilot suggested perspex wouldn't help in an evacuation!
Think the only realistic solution (until a vaccine) is to let people fly and take the risk; and have staff with PPE and not serving customers - just there for emergencies. So no drinks or nibbles...
There could be a case for a medical passport where if you have had it and are immune you can fly (but would people try to get it and recover so they are "free"??) but those who haven't had it couldn't fly...as they might catch CV at their destination or be carrying unknown.
So for me I think flying's out until there's a vaccine and everyone can have that health passport.
FlatErik
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This is just speculation by the media. Airlines are not considering these measures as far as I know.
Facemasks on planes will be a normal thing for a while though. And perhaps during the first few weeks there will be 1/3 seat capacity to keep distance between passengers. But this whole 'new normal' by the media needs to stop. It's a temporary 'not normal' and airlines or aircraft builders will not adjust their airplanes with screens between passengers.
Also, I saw people here saying the risk of catching it on a plane is bigger than in other situations because of the airconditioning? Not true. Read this: https://www.who.int/ith/mode_of_travel/tcd_aircraft/en/
It will take a while for aviation to recover from this and there will be some new regulations passengers will have to get used to, but all those newspapers making virus proof airplane mockups are just silly.
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MrHullMysterious
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Informative and hints that the nominal 2 rows the WHO recommend is probs gonna miss 45% of cases. Anyhow plane operators said even if did run at 2/3 capacity, prices would have to go up a lot, otherwise it's not economically viable. Can't see governments subsidising flights so people can go on holibobs.
Full hazmat type mask might work, but that won't be fun on even short flights.?
Getting travel insurance would be interesting too. (Side note, wonder how it would affect your employment contract which many have clauses in about partaking in risky activity. Go on holiday, come back ill and can't work etc)
So until a therapeutic that makes it only as bad as a cold, or a vaccine, I think international travel will be massively reduced. Hell, if you can't even go to a club/pub in your own country, why would sitting in a plane be allowed?
MrHullMysterious
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On international travel, one possibility is that only under 30s (with no underlying conditions) can travel?. Unlikely to be severe for that age group. Just how much you transmit it if asymptomatic is still a question though.
Plus kinda torpedoes the idea of an older and more affluent tourist in ibiza!
Plus kinda torpedoes the idea of an older and more affluent tourist in ibiza!
kimajy
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Can't even watch the fantasies but boats are probably riskier than planes. All that ducting ....
diver
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I can’t see how any form of group travel is different?
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