MrHullMysterious
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There been some studies with CT scans of asymptomatic people showing visible changes in their lungs. So probably not bad enough to be hospitalized or show symptoms (or very mild symptoms) but changes none the less.
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SeoulSaint
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Do you by any chance have a link? Curious to see that.
SeoulSaint
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Just had a look at a small scale Chinese study that looks at asymp lung scans of those positive. It does though state a third went on to develop full blown symptoms. It doesn’t mention what happens to the lungs of those that didn’t. Assume they just go back to normal. I’m interested as the missus almost certainly has had covid and I was likely asymptomatic but positive. I’m a long distance runner too, and I’ve noticed no respiratory issues and I can still comfortably run 60 plus miles a week, with some tough sessions mixed in.
MrHullMysterious
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CT imaging and clinical course of asymptomatic cases with COVID-19 pneumonia at admission in Wuhan, China - PMC
Aimed to characterize the CT imaging and clinical course of asymptomatic cases with COVID-19 pneumonia. Asymptomatic cases with COVID-19 pneumonia confirmed by SARS-COV-2 nucleic acid testing in Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University were ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I'd like to see more studies to back this up as always a bit suspect of anything been researched in China right at this min. But logically if the virus is replicating in asymptomatic people, it must be making some changes in the lungs. How long term the changes are is another matter.
Edit: as mentioned above, small scale study and questions about before and after. Also how does it compare to say a smoker etc
MrHullMysterious
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Does it feel like when you come out of a club at 8am, kinda surreal??
Many people out ?
stivi
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where I live there were people out, but no masses. friends told me in ibiza town there were lots of people out. I guess it's the same everywhere, it'll be mainly the cities where there's too many people in the streets too quickly.
McRackin
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Correct.
soulcompromise
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Here, it's a house divided. There were reports in the news as of 0230 or so PST (whenever I awoke today... lol) of protesters taking to the streets of California with regard to the reinstatement of beach closures. I can't think of a more spoiled/entitled reaction to something that's in no uncertain terms practical.
I saw the pictures with the article and they were of outraged citizens flag-waving & cavorting not two feet apart. Similarly, photos of Huntington Beach showing a severe lack of social distancing on the sand as people lie out in the sun, one towel literally on top of the other, shoulder to shoulder, elbow to elbow.
They had something and they did very poorly with it! Now it's been taken away! And they're screaming and crying like a child whose toy is taken away! It's a sorry, pathetic thing to see. I'm embarrassed of these Americans, and I wish the media would do more to portray the majority of us as something more than snot-nosed brats!
I saw the pictures with the article and they were of outraged citizens flag-waving & cavorting not two feet apart. Similarly, photos of Huntington Beach showing a severe lack of social distancing on the sand as people lie out in the sun, one towel literally on top of the other, shoulder to shoulder, elbow to elbow.
They had something and they did very poorly with it! Now it's been taken away! And they're screaming and crying like a child whose toy is taken away! It's a sorry, pathetic thing to see. I'm embarrassed of these Americans, and I wish the media would do more to portray the majority of us as something more than snot-nosed brats!
Here, it's a house divided. There were reports in the news as of 0230 or so PST (whenever I awoke today... lol) of protesters taking to the streets of California with regard to the reinstatement of beach closures. I can't think of a more spoiled/entitled reaction to something that's in no uncertain terms practical.
I saw the pictures with the article and they were of outraged citizens flag-waving & cavorting not two feet apart. Similarly, photos of Huntington Beach showing a severe lack of social distancing on the sand as people lie out in the sun, one towel literally on top of the other, shoulder to shoulder, elbow to elbow.
They had something and they did very poorly with it! Now it's been taken away! And they're screaming and crying like a child whose toy is taken away! It's a sorry, pathetic thing to see. I'm embarrassed of these Americans, and I wish the media would do more to portray the majority of us as something more than snot-nosed brats!
Most Americans are reasonable people , who know what is necessary at these times. It s like in germany , france or somewhere : The loudest are not the majority. If you open the border and remove the measures , amnesia would be
packed next week , I guess
With people from everywhere and every age.
But the thing is : Younger people think , nothing can happen to me , its a old mans disease. Egoistic and not really true ...
kimajy
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@stivi linked it in here a few pages back. Thread has grown so long I can't find it again ! There are basically big warnings to divers right now not to dive in the Summer without going for a scan if they have had or might have had Covid, even with mild symptoms. It seems that the lung damage occurring may be much more serious than the symptoms indicate.
2H76
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I read a report in an on-line paper about just how desperate parts of Europe are to get tourist back, as it's such a large part of their economy. Obviously getting air travel back would be a huge point, but what has been missed out is that tourists won't be able to get coronavirus as part of their travel/health insurance as it stands.
So if you are ill abroad, or something happens due to CV, then you won't be insured which will put many off. As far as health goes, the UK is still covered by the EHIC card for emergencies, but that goes at the end of this year.
Will the Spanish still have in place their promise to treat us for emergencies under the Spanish health system (ie for free/low cost) if we lose the EHIC and can't get fully insured?
Example, if I don't have that promise in place next year I ain't coming* unless my holiday insurance completely covers me for CV-related illnesses.
*Or a vaccination; could be that we would get covered if we have had a vaccination - but that assumes there will be one and that's not certain yet.
So if you are ill abroad, or something happens due to CV, then you won't be insured which will put many off. As far as health goes, the UK is still covered by the EHIC card for emergencies, but that goes at the end of this year.
Will the Spanish still have in place their promise to treat us for emergencies under the Spanish health system (ie for free/low cost) if we lose the EHIC and can't get fully insured?
Example, if I don't have that promise in place next year I ain't coming* unless my holiday insurance completely covers me for CV-related illnesses.
*Or a vaccination; could be that we would get covered if we have had a vaccination - but that assumes there will be one and that's not certain yet.
Moha
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Yep; a team at the zurich university hospital, investigating that issue.
Yup. The vast majority of Americans understand the importance of being shutdown and for social distancing. The loudest (and typically fewest brain cells) get the media attention due to the sheer stupidity. Just take a look at Michigan for a prime example. Assholes, pure and simple
Same problem here in germany : 5000 people at a protest in stuttgart . Pictures in TV and so on. They say their freedom is threatened . Ok , they have no guns.
But I know : The majority agrees with the measures , they feel its neccessary. But you will not see them , because they are at home.
Its easy to protest if I dont have the responibility for anything.
But I know : The majority agrees with the measures , they feel its neccessary. But you will not see them , because they are at home.
Its easy to protest if I dont have the responibility for anything.
CasaNegron
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Are all those people really like that? Do you have a point at which you would protest, my friend?
Anyone who is actively going out of their house, to stand in large groups during a deadly pandemic, while openly brandishing firearms, while waiving Nazi/Confederate/etc flags, so they can stop being minorly inconvenienced as gaping assholes in my opinion. Their selfishness is literally (not figuratively) going to get someone killed because they didn't want to sit at home and watch netflix anymore. f*** them.
These people don't give two shits about "freedom." They want haircuts, their nails done, and to pretend that they are in charge of whatever they do all day long. Their actions are foremost about them not having a say in what they do during their day with no thought about the consequences of their actions. That's not freedom, that's arrogance.
And yes. The vast majority of these people are JUST like that. This is not a wholly representative sample of the US population. Just ammosexual rednecks that want to "own the libs" and pretend they are spec ops while not being able to rub two brain cells together and understand that for once a small amount of personal sacrifice is necessary to ensure that thousands of people don't die.
At what point would I protest? The bar is fairly high for me to be outside wielding weapons and storming state capitals. It'd take a delay in the Nov election, Trump refusing to turn over power, etc.
ibizageeer69
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Yeah , the other side of the medal. The reason ,why the People ( not so much , 5000 ) in Stuttgart are on the Streets ( and in other Cities ) :
They are afraid of the future. The other thing is : Stuttgart Area is a automotive cluster in Germany . Mercedes is there , Porsche is there,
big supliers are there ( Bosch , Mahle , Behr ) and so on. This business had Problems before and now additionaly corona ...
The mood is not so good there. Ist a mess ...
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