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Springal said:
Amnesia cancelling all events for May AND June ?!
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white_isle_calling said:
Positive (all things considered) daily briefing from UK government today. We're getting our phase 2 and beyond plan laid out next week, when our lockdown measures were due for review anyway

Restarting the economy is a part of that. Cautious optimism

Seems like by some miracle we'll also hit 100,000 tests per day or close enough by tomorrow. It seemed unlikely just a few days ago
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Anyone else completely confused by the usage of these phases? I’m pretty well educated but they baffle me. Only a few weeks ago, were told phase 1 was contact tracing positive cases and phase 2 was in effect the lock down we’re currently in. Phase 3 would be flattening the curve and returning to normal. Yet somehow a completely new set of phases seem to have been created. Utterly baffling and straight from the Dom Cummings’ playbook. It seems the old phase 1 has been erased by the government as it’s inconvenient to draw attention to how quickly they canned the proper public health contact tracing.
 
SeoulSaint said:
Anyone else completely confused by the usage of these phases? I’m pretty well educated but they baffle me. Only a few weeks ago, were told phase 1 was contact tracing positive cases and phase 2 was in effect the lock down we’re currently in. Phase 3 would be flattening the curve and returning to normal. Yet somehow a completely new set of phases seem to have been created. Utterly baffling and straight from the Dom Cummings’ playbook. It seems the old phase 1 has been erased by the government as it’s inconvenient to draw attention to how quickly they canned the proper public health contact tracing.
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I've completely lost track of all that
 
If I'm honest, I wasn't aware of any references to phases before today. That's not to say there hadn't been any
 
ElrowLovers said:
This is annoying me too. As you guys know...I've been in camp 'open up' for a long time. I can only speak for the Netherlands, but there are really smart people saying smart things about how to open up. But it's always the people that shout the dumbest things hard enough that get media attention. The lockdowns require a smart exit strategy, with some sort of social distancing (I'm not convinced it will work in every situation), facemasks and certain hygiene precautions. Enough scientist have plans what to do....its frustrating governments don't seem to pay attention to them and keep listening to medical experts only. That time has passed. We need to move on and listen to different expertises. Spain is giving the rest of Europe a great example If you'd ask me.
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I agree.. Spain are doing a good job of being cautious and releasing things slowly

They have a set strategy put in place, even set times of when people can exercise and when kids can be out.. Very sensible

MAny people in Spain not happy with it but what more can you do... Tough situation
 
2H76 said:
I think the problem is, those that have it but don't know can pass it on to others, especially the most vunerable. We stopped public smoking as it was proved to affect the health of others in their vicinity, so there is history.
But that could mean we have to stay in lockdown for ever and beyond until a vaccine is proved. Which is, of course, complete nonsense.
So is the way to go to allow people out with a "pass" and if they don't respect distancing, whether it be a shop, pub, pavement etc, remove that pass for a length of time - and if they repeat offend then jail them??
But to me that would be acceptable if more places were open so the carrot - a bit of normality - is worth the stick.
Right now it's just sitting around...sitting around...sitting around as the world begins to open up around us yet here the government is clueless.
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Hurr1cane said:
Ask yourself why they aren't in agreement? Has anything really changed, or are people just reaching their breaking point? I myself have noticed some days I am more susceptible to the arguments of the re-open crowd, but its not because they are suddenly making a compelling argument. Its just for one reason or another I am fed up with lockdown and looking for a reason to believe this will be over soon.

Narrator: It won't be over soon

It has been my experience that the re-open crowd is also the most opposed to social distancing and mask wearing when re-open does occur, which i find to be counter intuitive. It seems they should be arguing for all of the social distancing as a way to make society safe enough to re-open. It is the disconnect between wanting to re-open urgently, but the absence of plan to do it in a way that is safe AND sustainable that brings me back to reality.

Edited to add: For context I am in US, where the protesters are as much anti-government as they are re-open so they reject government restriction even when the stay at home orders are lifted.
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Precisely... You both have an excellent perspective on this. I particularly agree with the sentiment that protesters are blindly rebellious against any form of order claiming it's oppression. What a load...
 
soulcompromise said:
Precisely... You both have an excellent perspective on this. I particularly agree with the sentiment that protesters are blindly rebellious against any form of order claiming it's oppression. What a load...
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At what point would you rebel? This is a serious question.

I not sure if I agree with the protesters, but the contrarian in me worries when everyone is on the same page. I think it's healthy (no pun intended).
 
crunch weekend in Spain. the latest allocated timeslots for different age groups have certainly caused a lot of confusion. :lol: but i think it's basically exercise nuts beginning and end of day, old folk mornings and families throughout daytime
 
AR_IBIZA said:
Something quite ironic about this. Didn't seem to care for the health and safety of it's punters when cramming god knows how many over capacity in like sardines.

Although that being said I would prefer to be a sardine in the club rather than social distancing outside of one …
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it could definitely make for better clubbing if they were to have to start considering selling less tickets now, for instance resistance closing last year was beyond unenjoyable and for the biggest club in the world to reach that level it shows things weren't ok before

not to want to take away from businesses but they would still be able to make mad profit and also take a hit on fewer ticket sales surely
 
AR_IBIZA said:
Something quite ironic about this. Didn't seem to care for the health and safety of it's punters when cramming god knows how many over capacity in like sardines.

Although that being said I would prefer to be a sardine in the club rather than social distancing outside of one …
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They know whats up : Imagine only one or two infected people in a packed amnesia.
Dont want to think about ...
 
I don't know whether I'm still in doom in gloom mode and too removed from it being in the UK or just being pragmatic but I cant see any sort of holiday season this year. The idea of clubbing happening the calendar year anywhere in Europe seems miles away and very unlikely unless a medical breakthrough found.
 
the owner of my fave local bar here told me he is planning opening 26 May. am guessing at reduced capacity.

the most popular bars will probably see queues down the street until that restriction is listed - it's probably a lot more relaxed across the water
 
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