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metropolis said:
Not a single infection has been traced back to a supermarket in Austria. Even among the cashiers, who worked for weeks without any protection, there are no more infections than in the normal population. It looks like the big infection hotspots were really big events, bars, nightlife, restaurants etc.... :(
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I know of someone in London, lives on his own that left his house twice in a 4 week period to go to the supermarket. He is now on life support with covid!
it’s a friends brother in law.
He is 41.
 
Hally said:
Our hospitals are coping really well, I'm amazed how well to be honest. This was on the BBC News saying the problem is ambulance services are over stretched causing delays
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Why do you think they’re coping well? They’ve basically become buildings that only treat one thing. Hospitals in the UK don’t have capacity for anything much else. There is no way that the current situation is really coping, it’s sheer crisis management. Hospitals in the UK should never have been allowed to have been running at practically capacity for so many years.
 
Hally said:
In the interest of friendly debate. On a full lockdown ambulances are so overstretched in the UK they cant get to heart attacks and strokes, often 2 hours +. Close the lock down what happens? NHS will be overwhelmed

Dont know what we should do either
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Always in the interest of friendly debate too :)

I don't have the solution either. And I'm not saying countries should just end the lockdown...in the Netherlands they are looking into giving the health service a little breather when IC capacity is stable (estimated that will happen in the week of 11 may). Then slowly lifting some measures to see what happens. I'm afraid the situation here and in the UK is too different to compare. It depends on the timing of the start of the measures and the healthcare capacity in normal state.

Reality still is...and you know this way better than I do...this virus is gonna be here for a long time. Keeping the lockdowns until there is a vaccin is not the solution and will not work. Perhaps that works in some countries, but I think the UK and the Netherlands as examples...they will not obey to these rules for much longer now. Politics are starting to back out too and the debate on national television has made a u-turn the last few days; it's all about exit-strategy now.
 
Doctors have warned that the coronavirus looks to be causing strokes among adults in their 30s and 40s who otherwise are not particularly unwell, or even not showing any symptoms of the virus at all.

They have also said that younger people are less likely to call 911 and seek treatment because they fear the hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus patients.

There is an increasing body of evidence to suggest that the Covid-19 infection makes patients more prone to blood clots, and while the reason behind this is unclear, a stroke can be a consequence of that.

Giving details of five patients he and his colleagues have treated, Dr. Thomas Oxley, a neurosurgeon in the Mount Sinai Health System in New York told CNN that all were under the age of 50, and either had mild or no symptoms of the Covid-19 infection.

'The virus seems to be causing increased clotting in the large arteries, leading to severe stroke,' Oxley told CNN. 'Our report shows a seven-fold increase in incidence of sudden stroke in young patients during the past two weeks.
 
SeoulSaint said:
Why do you think they’re coping well? They’ve basically become buildings that only treat one thing. Hospitals in the UK don’t have capacity for anything much else. There is no way that the current situation is really coping, it’s sheer crisis management. Hospitals in the UK should never have been allowed to have been running at practically capacity for so many years.
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Same here. It will be interesting to see the numbers of fatalities caused by delayed healthcare when all this gets evaluated.
 
ElrowLovers said:
Always in the interest of friendly debate too :)

I don't have the solution either. And I'm not saying countries should just end the lockdown...in the Netherlands they are looking into giving the health service a little breather when IC capacity is stable (estimated that will happen in the week of 11 may). Then slowly lifting some measures to see what happens. I'm afraid the situation here and in the UK is too different to compare. It depends on the timing of the start of the measures and the healthcare capacity in normal state.

Reality still is...and you know this way better than I do...this virus is gonna be here for a long time. Keeping the lockdowns until there is a vaccin is not the solution and will not work. Perhaps that works in some countries, but I think the UK and the Netherlands as examples...they will not obey to these rules for much longer now. Politics are starting to back out too and the debate on national television has made a u-turn the last few days; it's all about exit-strategy now.
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No country will keep the lockdown until we have a vaccine that's just not feasible

Even the worse hit countries are slowly easing restrictions (spain and Italy)
 
For those worried about the future cost of air travel and still wanting to travel to the Balearics, there are ways round it; the cheapest option is to spend a day on a coach (ugh) to Barcelona and then ferry/fly from there. But IMO the best bet is to book an advance train ticket from the UK/NW Europe to Barca and then ferry from there. Might mean a couple of overnight stays extra, so maybe a flight still ends up cheaper?
Putting cost to one side, I've always wanted to do the train anyway!
Meanwhile, this site is worth a look for alternatives https://www.seat61.com and https://www.seat61.com/Spain.htm#How_much_does_it_cost
 
2H76 said:
From the UK and Ireland I think there's a ferry to northern Spain?
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There's the Plymouth to Santander route which departs just down the road from me. It takes blooming AGES and if you take a car it costs an absolute fortune. Going by road is fine if there are about 4 of you to share the costs but solo there is no way this is going to be an economic option. Plus it's quite a drive to Barca from Santander and then you have another ferry !
 
TheGreatRabbit said:
And my Dad would sit in the back in the smoking section, while my Mom sat with the kids in non-smoking where we listened to in-flight audio that played through headphones that were really rubber hoses carrying music from speakers in the seat.

Nah, I think I'm going with how flying is in this decade. ?
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I remember those headphones, more like a doctor's stethoscope :lol: I also remember the days when First Class was cradle seats rather than flat beds and no amount of money could buy you a comfortable sleep. Unless you booked a skybed on Philippine Airlines on the upper deck of a jumbo jet !!
 
Springal said:
Doctors have warned that the coronavirus looks to be causing strokes among adults in their 30s and 40s who otherwise are not particularly unwell, or even not showing any symptoms of the virus at all.

They have also said that younger people are less likely to call 911 and seek treatment because they fear the hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus patients.

There is an increasing body of evidence to suggest that the Covid-19 infection makes patients more prone to blood clots, and while the reason behind this is unclear, a stroke can be a consequence of that.

Giving details of five patients he and his colleagues have treated, Dr. Thomas Oxley, a neurosurgeon in the Mount Sinai Health System in New York told CNN that all were under the age of 50, and either had mild or no symptoms of the Covid-19 infection.

'The virus seems to be causing increased clotting in the large arteries, leading to severe stroke,' Oxley told CNN. 'Our report shows a seven-fold increase in incidence of sudden stroke in young patients during the past two weeks.
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Lockdown til november then?
If this is true what's more worrying is how more doctors didn't notice this sooner.
 
kimajy said:
I remember those headphones, more like a doctor's stethoscope :lol: I also remember the days when First Class was cradle seats rather than flat beds and no amount of money could buy you a comfortable sleep. Unless you booked a skybed on Philippine Airlines on the upper deck of a jumbo jet !!
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On Caledonian the air hostesses used to wear short(ish) tartan skirts, always a bit of a plus that :p
Dan Air were, er, interesting - felt like they were held together by sellotape. In fact they probably were...
But the best airline I have never flown with is Yorkshire Airlines
 
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