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Neo95gt said:
Trump is basically allowing states to handle how they start to open up, which makes sense. Some states, like Texas, have been able to fend off the worst of things it seems. They have a ton of space down there as well so it probably makes sense that they can start doing little things to open up. Nobody is saying these states are going to completely open back up, they are going to do it slowly while keeping social distancing and monitor things closely along the way. Makes sense to me.

Not allowing people to go outside and exercise is ridiculous imo. I live in the NYC area, where it’s super concentrated, and can still find plenty of space to run where I’m never 20ft within someone else.
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The state I am watching is Florida. Essentially they only shut down for two weeks (following spring break :lol: ?) in late March before reopening.

It is a large populous state with some major metro areas. Current cases on the 20k range, only 1/10 the confirmed case load of New York state.
 
CasaNegron said:
It is a large populous state with some major metro areas. Current cases on the 20k range, only 1/10 the confirmed case load of New York state.
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It's a time bomb though - you can see the impact right now of the delay introducing lockdown in UK. Once the Spring Breakers went home the residual cases will take time to accelerate in terms of spread.
 
kimajy said:
It's a time bomb though - you can see the impact right now of the delay introducing lockdown in UK. Once the Spring Breakers went home the residual cases will take time to accelerate in terms of spread.
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They reopened some beaches this weekend. Will be interesting. The people there now are generally locals and will not be circulating to far. People are curious how it will react to summer weather...

Here in the USVI, our beach lockdown was for the week before and after Easter, ends Monday (420!!! ?). We are in what could be described as an extremely lax lockdown. The non essential stores are closed, with restaurant being for takeouts only. No restrictions on movement otherwise. Beach camping for Easter is big with extended families, so the beaches were closed as a precaution.

So far we have had 55 cases, with one death of an 85 yo And about 45 recovered so far. This is out of a population of 100k on three main islands.
 
ElrowLovers said:
Before this gets a lot of discussion...let me start by saying I think Trump is crazy.

However unlike most politicians he's one of the only one who dares to say: We have to get back to normal as soon as possible.
And the lack of that belief or hope or goal is exactly what frustrates me about most other countries strategies. They are only enforcing something without an endgoal or perspective for the civilians. Just lockdown - extend -

But still..Trump is a nut job.
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But there is no normal for the next two years at least, the virus is not controlled, flatten not curved there... I feel he is making a big mistake.. To save the economy.. Economy is f***ed now anyway

How can the govts state an end goal where they don't know how this new virus will play out. We have never had this happen to us.

I think the best way to play it out is like Spain and be cautious, they are being strict and some people are fed up but if that is what it takes so be it.

We will see in the next month who's strategy works the best
 
Hally said:
You've annoyed me a few times but there is a truth in what you say. Without a miracle vaccine there will have to be some very unpleasant discussions weighing up (mainly) older people's lives vs economic harm. As unpalatable as this is the virus is going nowhere, hard decisions lie ahead sadly. How long can you lock the world down for? We really are looking at children's futures vs Grandmas life unless we get a miracle cure. Horrific
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Appreciate this reply.

Either a wonder vaccin, a wonder treatment or a very tough discussion indeed. Perhaps there still is another way were we don't have to choose between children futures vs grandmas life...keeping certain groups in lockdown. But that will mean we can't see or visit those groups for a very long time, also horrific. But this discussion will definitely grow in the coming days and weeks.
 
Hally said:
You've annoyed me a few times but there is a truth in what you say. Without a miracle vaccine there will have to be some very unpleasant discussions weighing up (mainly) older people's lives vs economic harm. As unpalatable as this is the virus is going nowhere, hard decisions lie ahead sadly. How long can you lock the world down for? We really are looking at children's futures vs Grandmas life unless we get a miracle cure. Horrific
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Then society needs to go into emergency mode and concentrate on ensuring everyone has food, shelter and care. When society reboots, there must be a plan so no-one has been left behind, even if that means revolutionary resource and wealth redistribution.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Then society needs to go into emergency mode and concentrate on ensuring everyone has food, shelter and care. When society reboots, there must be a plan so no-one has been left behind, even if that means revolutionary resource and wealth redistribution.
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That sounds like something from a dystopian movie or tv show. This might be a scenario when this was a virus that kills everyone....but that's not the case, far from that really. So while there are some people hoping for a revolution and a new world after this...not gonna happen imho.
 
Kent Kid said:
Watched an interview this morning with this guy, some interesting points.
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Lots of assertions there, let's hope when they actually get more data it backs it up. (Although I think back to that french community study that is showing only ~10% has had it?‍♂️)

Ps: fatality rate of 0.1% might be true (flu is 0.1% & heard covid19 ~1.0% actually), but a whole lot more people are susceptible to it => lot more deaths than flu, which is the problem.
 
ElrowLovers said:
That sounds like something from a dystopian movie or tv show. This might be a scenario when this was a virus that kills everyone....but that's not the case, far from that really. So while there are some people hoping for a revolution and a new world after this...not gonna happen imho.
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Yeah, I agree.... this isn’t Mad Max.

Normal service will resume.
 
Kent Kid said:
Watched an interview this morning with this guy, some interesting points.
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Looks wildly optimistic to me and sure could be picked apart. At a glance suggesting the curve is flattening because the vulnerable dying first is nonsense, only a minuscule percentage of the vulnerable have died.

Would love it to be true though
 
I guess we will find out the true reality of how bad it can get by looking at the USA. Measures came in later and been released very soon (next week in some places).
Hopefully a lot of americans will practise good social distancing to prevent a complete catastrophe. (Although I do get due to USA different social care system, many have little choice)?
 
Kent Kid said:
Watched an interview this morning with this guy, some interesting points.
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As much as it’s frustrating seeing a different ‘expert’ pop up every 5 minutes with a completely different take the last ‘expert,’ I do think (and hope) there’s soemthing in this. There’s still very little correlation between severity of lockdown measures and death statistics, as far as I can see.

And anecdotally, the amount of the people I know who have had mild symptoms, especially the no smell/taste is really high. I would wager a significant percentage of the population have had it. The big question, probably a bigger issue than the vaccine at the moment, is whether that assures immunity, or at least stops you acting a carrier of the disease.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Then society needs to go into emergency mode and concentrate on ensuring everyone has food, shelter and care. When society reboots, there must be a plan so no-one has been left behind, even if that means revolutionary resource and wealth redistribution.
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On a practical level my mum is 81, I live over the road from her to look after her, and she is currently totally isolated. How long can I keep her in emergency mode? Isolate her totally hoping for a vaccine? Live possibly the last year or two of her life alone? Or risk the virus even though I've seen what an awful way to die it is?
 
I guess what we are all saying is there are mainly 2 choices:

1 - slow the spread and flatten the curve so hospitalization and deaths spread out over a longer period. = Economic shock & social changes

2 - business as usual. Massive piles of bodies outside A&E in a short space of time = social shock and different economic impact.

Point 1 buys you time to adjust to new normal and develop therapies.

Point 2 gets it over quicker but will leave people shell shocked. No one will be untouched by those dying.

Shit show ?

(Just my thoughts)
 
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