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Hurr1cane said:
The problem isn’t that Trump wants to re-open. It’s that he has no credible plan to do it. Even by the criteria his administration provided this week, zero states meet or are close to meeting the phase 1 criteria. It’s just stupid talk.

I have yet to see a credible analysis by anyone in the re-open camp about what they exactly are proposing? They love to talk about all of the suicides, deaths, and suffering from a poor economy ... but never put any numbers to it. I can only assume it’s because once you do the math, covid 19 is clearly the worse option.

The US National Institute of Health estimated 5,000 excess suicides due to the Great Recession in the US in 2 years (08-09) COVID-19 has killed more people in the US in the past 3 days...
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Keeping countries on lockdown for an unknown amount of time is not a credible plan either right?
It's about finding the right balance between limiting new Covid outbreaks so healthcare is not flooded and re-opening the normal economy. Off course there are no numbers, countries have never shut down the economy for so long on purpose. It's not just about suicides due to depression...people seem to think economy is only about making money, but without the economy there is no healthcare either. Eventually those sectors (healthcare, law enforcement, teachers) will once again pay the price in the coming uncanny recession and the years to come.
 
ElrowLovers said:
If airlines/airports have reliable corona-tests in place there will be no infected persons in the plane.
You get tested on the airport of your departure, not on arrival. I think eventually this will be quite normal for the next year or two.
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Ok ,a test which is fast ( less than 2 Hours ) and has a accuracy of min 99 %. And it should not be too expensive.

I think they will have a vaccine much faster
 
Hurr1cane said:
The problem isn’t that Trump wants to re-open. It’s that he has no credible plan to do it. Even by the criteria his administration provided this week, zero states meet or are close to meeting the phase 1 criteria. It’s just stupid talk.

I have yet to see a credible analysis by anyone in the re-open camp about what they exactly are proposing? They love to talk about all of the suicides, deaths, and suffering from a poor economy ... but never put any numbers to it. I can only assume it’s because once you do the math, covid 19 is clearly the worse option.

The US National Institute of Health estimated 5,000 excess suicides due to the Great Recession in the US in 2 years (08-09) COVID-19 has killed more people in the US in the past 3 days...
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I have been watching this closely and I'm equally as puzzled by his plan, seams very bullish. Along with the ongoing spat with State Governors.

I think in this current situation he is really out of his depth and is rushing to get the country back into action and working, as managing economy and business interests is something he is more astute to, and he looks to make this a success story.

At a hefty price though, if they lift lockdowns too soon.
 
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ElrowLovers said:
If airlines/airports have reliable corona-tests in place there will be no infected persons in the plane.
You get tested on the airport of your departure, not on arrival. I think eventually this will be quite normal for the next year or two.
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Are there any tests that do that? I’m not aware of any rapid diagnostic tests like that. Imagine if you were told you were positive but it was a false positive and you were turfed off your flight. It would be litigation central. Honestly, people need to realise how poor rapid testing is. The only thing we really use that for is HIV, and every reactive needs to be followed up with a proper test.
 
The antigen lab test can be done in around hour and a half. a) you are going to have to have a lab nearby or at the airport b) each machine costs £20k and can only do 1 test at a time (so buy lots of them)

Or the slower ~4hr test that can do large numbers in one go. Sleepover at the airport? ?
 
MrHullMysterious said:
The antigen lab test can be done in around hour and a half. a) you are going to have to have a lab nearby or at the airport b) each machine costs £20k and can only do 1 test at a time (so buy lots of them)

Or the slower ~4hr test that can do large numbers in one go. Sleepover at the airport? ?
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You will have Antigens in every case when you are infected ? I think you have to find out if the Person is infected.
Dont knowif thisis a Antigen test
 
ElrowLovers said:
Keeping countries on lockdown for an unknown amount of time is not a credible plan either right?
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Unknown does not imply forever. As far as I can tell every country is making plans to re-open when certain criteria are met.

Again you keep talking about the price people will pay without specifying what it is. There is obviously a price, but you haven’t presented anything that would support your position that the price is more costly than the cost of un constrained COVID-19.

If you are open to a good faith argument maybe I’ll run some numbers to try and convince you. I’m on quarantine, nowhere else to be...
 
stivi said:
german article, but any online translator will help.

www.rainews.it

Dauerhaft geschädigt

Die Innsbrucker Universitätsklinik hat Lungenschäden bei genesenen Covid-Erkrankten festgestellt. Die Schäden sind offenbar bleibend.
www.rainews.it www.rainews.it

(yes I do scuba dive and have now another reason to try not to catch covid-19)
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Interesting that it mentions giving oxygen might trigger cytokine storm? (unless google translate got it wrong!)
 
We’re only 4-5 weeks in, personally I’m happy to lose a few months to these restrictions and go with it to save lives. I can’t see how any government can give an end date this early on.

In the lost 100 years we’ve had pandemics , world wars. This is ‘nothing’. My grandad passed away last year age 93 and he’d be laughing at the reaction to this

personally I think we will see local country restrictions ease early summer but most leisure / recreation facilities inc pubs clubs bars restaurants shut until late summer
 
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Springal said:
We’re only 4-5 weeks in, personally I’m happy to lose a few months to these restrictions and go with it to save lives. I can’t see how any government can give an end date this early on

In the lost 100 years we’ve had pandemics , world wars. This is ‘nothing’. My grandad passed away last year age 93 and he’d be laughing at the reaction to this
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While I fully agree this is nothing compared to fighting a war....everytime I see someone posting 'I'd be happy to live a few months with these restrictions', I'm really curious what your daily job is and how it's possible it will survive a few months. Cause for a lot of people, a few months in these restrictions will kill their jobs so they'll lose their home etc.
 
Trump is basically allowing states to handle how they start to open up, which makes sense. Some states, like Texas, have been able to fend off the worst of things it seems. They have a ton of space down there as well so it probably makes sense that they can start doing little things to open up. Nobody is saying these states are going to completely open back up, they are going to do it slowly while keeping social distancing and monitor things closely along the way. Makes sense to me.

Not allowing people to go outside and exercise is ridiculous imo. I live in the NYC area, where it’s super concentrated, and can still find plenty of space to run where I’m never 20ft within someone else.
 
AntonioGeordio said:
I have been watching this closely and I'm equally as puzzled by his plan, seams very bullish. Along with the ongoing spat with State Governors.

I think in this current situation he is really out of his depth and is rushing to get the country back into action and working, as managing economy and business interests is something he is more astute to, and he looks to make this a success story.

At a hefty price if though if they lift lockdowns too soon.
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He is a stupid f***ing shit. I hope all those redneck protesters don't expect to be looked after in hospital if they become seriously ill. Though no doubt they will. Serious lack of respect for the emergency services who are no doubt about to experience a new swell in cases.
 
back in the UK there's a report in the Times that PM Johnson didn't attend (as in couldn't be bothered to) six COBRA meetings (higher cabinet dealing with the virus) meaning the spread could have been stopped earlier. The report's behind a paywall, but it's damning and will be all over Sunday's news.
 
ElrowLovers said:
Keeping countries on lockdown for an unknown amount of time is not a credible plan either right?
It's about finding the right balance between limiting new Covid outbreaks so healthcare is not flooded and re-opening the normal economy. Off course there are no numbers, countries have never shut down the economy for so long on purpose. It's not just about suicides due to depression...people seem to think economy is only about making money, but without the economy there is no healthcare either. Eventually those sectors (healthcare, law enforcement, teachers) will once again pay the price in the coming uncanny recession and the years to come.
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You've annoyed me a few times but there is a truth in what you say. Without a miracle vaccine there will have to be some very unpleasant discussions weighing up (mainly) older people's lives vs economic harm. As unpalatable as this is the virus is going nowhere, hard decisions lie ahead sadly. How long can you lock the world down for? We really are looking at children's futures vs Grandmas life unless we get a miracle cure. Horrific
 
stivi said:
german article, but any online translator will help.

www.rainews.it

Dauerhaft geschädigt

Die Innsbrucker Universitätsklinik hat Lungenschäden bei genesenen Covid-Erkrankten festgestellt. Die Schäden sind offenbar bleibend.
www.rainews.it www.rainews.it

(yes I do scuba dive and have now another reason to try not to catch covid-19)
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I think it's a matter of risk and duration - I am not supposed to SCUBA or fly unpressurized because of a congenital lung condition identified on a routine CT scan medical but I have skydived and done SCUBA both without incident. I gave up on the idea of doing either regularly though, unless I no longer have any responsibilities which have to be weighed in the balance. Despite going to a specialist for interpretation, I still question whether very heavy smoking was the cause and if it was, it may be that a repeat scan shows this is now reversed as I have been off cigs and vapes for years now.

It seems logically very likely you will have severe lung damage after Covid so it could take years to get your full lung function back. A bit like stopping after being a heavy smoker. But I have faith that the body can repair itself enough to get your freedom back. Insurance companies may disagree though, so may be worth using that alias and going private if you want to check ! I personally wouldn't be rushing back underwater soon after having the disease.
 
2H76 said:
back in the UK there's a report in the Times that PM Johnson didn't attend (as in couldn't be bothered to) six COBRA meetings (higher cabinet dealing with the virus) meaning the spread could have been stopped earlier. The report's behind a paywall, but it's damning and will be all over Sunday's news.
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He'll still be hailed as a hero by The Sun / Mail
 
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