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Hally said:
It's the age thing mate, a lot like my mum.are counting the clock and want to enjoy the time they have got. Their choice on the end I suppose. Just grim
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My dad has dementia. Not been able to see him for over a month now. A couple of months can be a long time in the progress of dementia, so no idea what he'll be like when we can see him again. I don't know exactly what's going on in the home now (bar knowing they have had no infections and plenty of PPE), but there are no trips out and, I'd imagine, residents are kept to their own rooms. He probably only has a couple of years of life left max. The thing is these measures aren't just to protect people who are really old or really ill; they're there also to protect people over 60, people who do conceivably have a good 25 years in front of them.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
My dad has dementia. Not been able to see him for over a month now. A couple of months can be a long time in the progress of dementia, so no idea what he'll be like when we can see him again. I don't know exactly what's going on in the home now (bar knowing they have had no infections and plenty of PPE), but there are no trips out and, I'd imagine, residents are kept to their own rooms. He probably only has a couple of years of life left max. The thing is these measures aren't just to protect people who are really old or really ill; they're there also to protect people over 60, people who do conceivably have a good 25 years in front of them.
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It will both so hard in homes for staff and residents, doubly for those with dementia.

Some hard decisions will need to be made, at some point older people are probably going to have to decide themselves
 
chez said:
I just cant help but feel horrific for people with terminal illnesses through all of this, imagine being told for say you only had 6 months to live just after new years or something and your known remaining time on earth is cooped up like a pigeon, must be unthinkable
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Never thought of that, good point
 
CasaNegron said:
The state I am watching is Florida. Essentially they only shut down for two weeks (following spring break :lol: ?) in late March before reopening.

It is a large populous state with some major metro areas. Current cases on the 20k range, only 1/10 the confirmed case load of New York state.
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The models suggest Florida has leveled off and is probably past the worst of it. But yeah it will be interesting to watch if these states can avoid flare ups if they open up a bit while keeping some forms of social distancing. Given Florida hasn’t turned into a disaster already, I think they can. Also think the Florida heat helps a little too.

Good site that has models for all states:https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/florida
 
stivi said:
so what's your take, UK forumers, on the boris johnson piece in the times?

The Times & The Sunday Times

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Not surprised. Clueless clown who goes for the popularist vote. The whole thing has been a disaster. Especially with his ‘I’m not afraid, I’ll go into a hospital and shake people with COVID-19s hands’ only to get the virus and end up in ICU.

Wouldn’t surprise me if we have a new PM (again) within 12 months
 
stivi said:
so what's your take, UK forumers, on the boris johnson piece in the times?
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You mean the '38 day sleepwalked into disaster' or another one?

If former, we wrote the book on dealing with pandemics which was used by many around the world. Austerity came along and we binned off all the things we should do. - we didn't read or follow our own book ?‍♂️

Edit: see you've put a link in now ?.
They are not clueless or stupid, they exactly knew what could happen. Either thought not on my watch or don't care.

Boris is a lot like trump, not interested in dealing with details and rather go off on jollies.
 
We have to be judged in the global context. Lot of people jumping on this bandwagon all of a sudden, hindsight is a brilliant thing... but it doesn’t look like we are going to do any better or worse than Spain, Italy, France or the US so all the finger pointing at this stage feels premature and a touch unfair imo.
 
Wether you like Boris or not you have to admit he come unstuck after his comments prior to catching the virus. But to be fair to him that was pretty much the same attitude as the majority of people before it all really kicked off.
I for one was taking it very seriously from the moment we heard about Italy but everyone else I knew just laughed it off, and assumed it wouldn’t be a problem.
 
Crawleytown said:
We have to be judged in the global context. Lot of people jumping on this bandwagon all of a sudden, hindsight is a brilliant thing... but it doesn’t look like we are going to do any better or worse than Spain, Italy, France or the US so all the finger pointing at this stage feels premature and a touch unfair imo.
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Just watched interesting interview with a previous chief advisor to uk government (pre 2010). They had lots of good plans in place and funded. Same plans used around world for h1n1 outbreak etc. Post 2010 they binned off funding stuff (hence why lot of our ppe stocks where not only run down but actually out of date).

There have been numerous reports to the government about what to do, but wasn't seen as a priority.

Also this previous advisor says the chief advisors are more shackled in what they can say and to whom, (number 10 pr control) which degrades the trust the public has in the role.

Fact that couldn't be arsed to turn up to 5 meetings about risks to the country just says it all really. Now they are left with their pants down and trying to find their ass with both hands ?‍♂️


Edit: and fact we are about to run out of ppe cause they elected to use "supply chains" to meet demand instead of domestic production/stockpiling is really a wtf moment. 9 year old could tell you problems with that!
 
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