☣ Coronavirus ☣

[jimmiz]

Already happened!!

And not once.
A lot of healthy people under 50 are dying right now from this shit.
Even if it's just a few %, it's too much.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

5% of YOUNG deaths?
Or 5% of ALL deaths.

Coronavirus Age, Sex, Demographics (COVID-19) - Worldometer

Age, sex, demographic characteristics such as pre-existing conditions, of coronavirus cases of patients infected with COVID-19 and deaths, as observed in studies on the virus outbreak originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

 

[DelMarSunset]

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

 

[Springal]

I've seen one or two cases indeed.
But all the other cases I've seen...it turned out they had yetunknown underlying suffering after all.
Doesn't make it less sad. But im really sick and tired of the media worldwide trying to scare everyone with these headlines.
They have no integrity at all and they've shown that more than ever during this crisis.

There is no legit sources say 0% healthy people are dying because of this. stop reading alt-right / pro Russian websites.

You might be comfortable with sacrificing 5% of healthy humans that catch it just so you can do what you want, but most sane people would not be.

 

[FlatErik]

You're NOT stating facts, you're stating an opinion. Otherwise healthy teenagers and people in their 20's have died so you're wrong

I posted a fact. From my country. Where the media misleads us.
Another fact is that if you look at the numbers...the amount of healthy teenagers and people in their 20's dying is so small current global measures for the young people cannot be justified. That's a discussion being held right now in the Netherlands. One of our exit strategies could be to keep the elderly and vulnerable quarantined and let the young people out. I think that's a good discussion.

 

[FlatErik]

Coronavirus Age, Sex, Demographics (COVID-19) - Worldometer

Age, sex, demographic characteristics such as pre-existing conditions, of coronavirus cases of patients infected with COVID-19 and deaths, as observed in studies on the virus outbreak originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

So...where am I wrong?

AGE​	Number of Deaths	Share of deaths	With underlying conditions	Without underlying conditions	Unknown if with underlying cond.	Share of deaths of unknown + w/o cond.
0 - 17 years old​	3​	0.04%​	3​	0​	0​	0%​
18 - 44 years old​	309​	4.5%​	244​	25​	40​	1.0%​
45 - 64 years old​	1,581​	23.1%​	1,343​	59​	179​	3.5%​

 

[Springal]

So...where am I wrong?

AGE​	Number of Deaths	Share of deaths	With underlying conditions	Without underlying conditions	Unknown if with underlying cond.	Share of deaths of unknown + w/o cond.
0 - 17 years old​	3​	0.04%​	3​	0​	0​	0%​
18 - 44 years old​	309​	4.5%​	244​	25​	40​	1.0%​
45 - 64 years old​	1,581​	23.1%​	1,343​	59​	179​	3.5%​

When you said 0%

 

[Springal]

I posted a fact. From my country. Where the media misleads us.
Another fact is that if you look at the numbers...the amount of healthy teenagers and people in their 20's dying is so small current global measures for the young people cannot be justified. That's a discussion being held right now in the Netherlands. One of our exit strategies could be to keep the elderly and vulnerable quarantined and let the young people out. I think that's a good discussion.

Why are you obsessed with teens and 20s ? I said this before but your mentality against even 60 year olds is scary. What next anyone that doesn’t have blonde hair and blue eyes ?

 

[FlatErik]

When you said 0%

Read.
I wrote a close to zero percentage.

And yeah somewhere I wrote: healthy young people dont die of the virus. In general...still true.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

These are reports deaths of confirmed covid19. Will be lots of unreported cases esp in more deprived countries.

More interestingly there are a lot of young people been admitted to hospital.

Scroll down for graph, this is just usa figures

Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19

COVID-19 can result in severe disease, including hospitalization, admission to an intensive care unit, and death, especially among older adults. Everyone can take actions, such as social distancing...

www.cdc.gov

 

[FlatErik]

Why are you obsessed with teens and 20s ? I said this before but your mentality against even 60 year olds is scary. What next anyone that doesn’t have blonde hair and blue eyes ?

Im not obsessed with teens and 20s. I was just angry at a dutch media outlet.

Why are you obsessed with trying to frame me in a corner of racists or al-right? I never gave any reason for that and it's insulting.
Most people here just cannot cope with a different opinion. Well so be it.

 

[jimmiz]

Hell no. Different opinions and views are needed during this crisis. Even here. I dont care if I'm ridiculed.

Life is not just a few statistics, announced coldly.
In this modern world, even people die from a poop virus, just because our ultra liberal world is unable to protect itself for a few dollars more, it is to vomit.
Life is not just a turnover, a percentage of GDP.
You are lucky for the moment that you or those around you are not affected, but for me each life saved, even the oldest or the least productive, deserves the efforts required.

 

[T.o.s.hibiza]

ok so...

@2H76 - of course the clubbing industry evolves and has its ups and downs, but it's the first time in my life (probably yours too) where at least 80% of all nightclubs globally are SHUT.

@SeoulSaint - correct, anything 'entertainment' is foooked and it'll be one of the last bits that will get going again and that is my personal grief of course. and while I'm not a fan of nowadays' david guetta, he keeps on being an entry point into electronic music (as in people who then a few years later discover the good stuff) and same as some of the techno big names, he's done a lot for this scene over the past two decades, like it or not. he even used to play decent daytime sets on the old openair space sunset terrace, I caught some of them too. I'm curious as to how ibiza will change after this pandemic, personally I'm hoping on more togetherness and less two tier society, but I have my doubts. spotlight will survive, but it's gonna be a tough time and I don't think I'm surprising anyone with that.

@cunninghamali - as said above, tourism and entertainment/culture are two sectors that will recover last. I don't know what jobs you guys have and I'm sure that almost all members of this forum are currently affected by this pandemic somehow, but if I had to take a guess I would say that once we're through the worst, a lot of your professional careers will continue pretty quickly. whereas here on ibiza, it currently looks as though we just have to somehow survive an entire year with no business coming in. don't get me wrong, I know millions of people are in the same boat as we are.

also, re dc10 etc... two things. on the DJ front: yes it's true that artists get paid less for a gig at dc10 than they would elsewhere. in the case of the biggest names, the difference in fee is massive compared to a gig elsewhere, but for the carolas, solomuns and svens of this world it's just cool to play dc10 once a year and thus they accept a low fee. on the other hand, for the mid range DJs playing dc10, those gigs will secure them lots of gigs elsewhere throughout the year. every 'underground' DJ wants to have a few dc10 gigs on their CV, it will guarantee future gigs and thus it's more an investment rather than anything else. it's the same with berghain, if I'm not mistaken they also pay far lower fees than other venues (berlin venues generally don't pay huge fees from what I know).

the second thing isn't the DJs, but all the staff surrounded by them. if a DJ is clever enough, he'll have made enough savings to get through a year. but now think about all the club staff, promoters, agents, press people, media etc. if you look at the industry overall, the DJs are probably the people that will have the smallest issue getting over this period, whereas everyone else being in the same boat will face far bigger problems.

the scene will somehow survive, but it's gonna be a tough year this bloody 2020!

Great stuff man. Your views and effort to keep this forum going strong during these changed days are amazing.

 

[FlatErik]

Life is not just a turnover, a percentage of GDP.
You are lucky for the moment that you or those around you are not affected, but for me each life saved, even the oldest or the least productive, deserves the efforts required.

For how long?
How long will we keep this up until the measures are more harmful to the world than the goal? Because lockdowns...semi-lockdowns...shutting down the economy...will cause deaths too. And the chance that the people dying from these effects had more years in front of them then the elderly we are trying to protect now is really big.

 

[DelMarSunset]

I posted a fact. From my country. Where the media misleads us.
Another fact is that if you look at the numbers...the amount of healthy teenagers and people in their 20's dying is so small current global measures for the young people cannot be justified. That's a discussion being held right now in the Netherlands. One of our exit strategies could be to keep the elderly and vulnerable quarantined and let the young people out. I think that's a good discussion.

You said teenagers didn't die and you're wrong. You are coming from such an entrenced position and refusing to take heed of scientific evidence that is being collated worldwide. I called you an idiot the other day and you cried about it but with virtually every thing you post on this subject, you're proving me right. Your views are based on misinformation, you posted "evidence" from a Russian propoganda website (LOL) and you're still banging the drum because..... well i'll not say exactly what i think of you.

When (and it WILL happen) someone you know becomes seriously ill with this thing hopefully you'll see sense and shut the f*** up

 

[DelMarSunset]

I very rarely get angry online but honestly i feel like launching my laptop at the wall lol

 

[FlatErik]

You said teenagers didn't die and you're wrong. You are coming from such an entrenced position and refusing to take heed of scientific evidence that is being collated worldwide. I called you an idiot the other day and you cried about it but with virtually every thing you post on this subject, you're proving me right. Your views are based on misinformation, you posted "evidence" from a Russian propoganda website (LOL) and you're still banging the drum because..... well i'll not say exactly what i think of you.

When (and it WILL happen) someone you know becomes seriously ill with this thing hopefully you'll see sense and shut the f*** up

Well...that escalated quickly.

Some people here are just waiting for someone to say something a little divergent so they can jump upon that with the cliche: You're an idiot, stay inside, wait till your relatives get sick etc.
Even if I have the statistics to prove my point, no one will listen. Fine. Stay in your own bubble.
Only thing I came to say here is...and this goes for all countries: read the articles, check the source, not just the headlines, because the media loves scaring you. And apparently it works.

 

[jimmiz]

For how long?
How long will we keep this up until the measures are more harmful to the world than the goal? Because lockdowns...semi-lockdowns...shutting down the economy...will cause deaths too. And the chance that the people dying from these effects had more years in front of them then the elderly we are trying to protect now is really big.

Do you understand the concept of the word emergency?
Doing your best, as quickly as possible, without thinking about the cost of living in the future?
Does your humanity stop where economic logic begins?

 

[MrHullMysterious]

Tl;dr just cause lots of young people ain't dying doesn't mean a lot are getting seriously ill. (Needing ICU), but that's ok?

'Evil' media going on about young peeps etc; that's to keep fear levels up so the young don't just go bollox to it and risk their and others lives.

It does seem you have a fairly static viewpoint on all this ?‍

 

[DelMarSunset]

Well...that escalated quickly.

Some people here are just waiting for someone to say something a little divergent so they can jump upon that with the cliche: You're an idiot, stay inside, wait till your relatives get sick etc.
Even if I have the statistics to prove my point, no one will listen. Fine. Stay in your own bubble.
Only thing I came to say here is...and this goes for all countries: read the articles, check the source, not just the headlines, because the media loves scaring you. And apparently it works.

You're going on ignore. Not a single person agrees with you. Your views are dangerous, uninformed and arrogant beyond belief. The way you are posting on this subject about old people almost being dispensable are abhorent because you want to go out and party. You have a nurse who works on the front line in London posting on here and you're still posting absolute f***ing drivel.

Oh and your taste in music is shit too ?