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Johnny Vodka said:
We need to find a different way of valuing people, where nurses are worth more than bankers and footballers. That's just for starters.
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What do you mean by this, as in earn more money?

Maybe I'm nit picking but I think we all should be valued the same.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
I think we can do better if some people are less greedy. We need less air and car travel, we need to less eat meat, we need to ditch fast fashion and silly over consumption fantasies... We need to find a different way of valuing people, where nurses are worth more than bankers and footballers. That's just for starters.
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Sounds great! but people are selfish and greedy once this is fully over people will go back to how it was
 
Hally said:
Come to work with me, that'll scare you. Today only - 3 colleagues on the ward as patient, 49 year old incubated, 50/50 to live. That's today
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Well I totally understand your emotions. But with sharing information from your shifts...you're adding to that fear. And no it won't scare me because just as almost everyone I read the papers, I watch the news, I get it...it's a shitty virus and people die from it. But I will stick to my points I made earlier, the vast majority of people dying from this virus worldwide are either old people or people with underlying conditions.
There will always be exceptions, sadly, but they are still exceptions. So while I care for the elderly and other risk groups, I will not get scared by this virus. We cannot live in fear. The essence of life is not surviving alone, death will always be a risk in our lives.
I totally respect the incredible hard work you and all other health workers are doing right now but it's not necessary to 'scare' people. Not with information from the IC units, because we never had that information about other viruses or death causes too and people die all the time sadly. And not with so-called 'experts' saying this will last until 2022 or even longer. It does not help.

Let's be clear, I certainly hope your colleagues and patient will survive this misery and your shifts get back to 'normal' again.
I get it, you see horrible stuff. You didn't sign up to see that everyda. But that doesn't mean the world should stop spinning and people can't complain about the lockdowns.
 
Springal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1250170719901749249

Also the intro to his latest Rinse FM show was odd. He said he had COVID19, but everyone needs to relax, it’s just flu and he got over it. Odd thing to say when 10,000 of your fellow countrymen have died. Yes might have been mild for him but clearly it is serious...
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Hmm.... I did see he'd been promoting his missus 'health' prouducts or somesuch off the back of his apparent infection too
 
Johnny Vodka said:
I think we can do better if some people are less greedy. We need less air and car travel, we need to less eat meat, we need to ditch fast fashion and silly over consumption fantasies... We need to find a different way of valuing people, where nurses are worth more than bankers and footballers. That's just for starters.
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Less air travel....this is still the Ibiza forum right?
I know there are people thinking we are going into a new reality after this...but I'm a strong believer we won't. Life will pick up just as was before and we'll all be flying to the white isle at least twice a year again.
 
soha said:
What do you mean by this, as in earn more money?
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Yes. But generally I agree the gap between rich and poor should become narrower.

Was it on here I said the pie should become smaller (in recognition that we can't keep taking from nature at the same rate) while becoming more equally shared?
 
ElrowLovers said:
There will always be exceptions, sadly, but they are still exceptions. So while I care for the elderly and other risk groups, I will not get scared by this virus. We cannot live in fear. The essence of life is not surviving alone, death will always be a risk in our lives.
I totally respect the incredible hard work you and all other health workers are doing right now but it's not necessary to 'scare' people. Not with information from the IC units, because we never had that information about other viruses or death causes too and people die all the time sadly.
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I think you're being quite disrespectful to be honest. All healthcare workers I know are saying they've never seen anything like this in our lifetime. You seem to be saying that this kind of thing has been seen before which simply isn't true. Yes maybe in some countries in isolated periods but never globally on this scale or the impact it is having on medical facilities in living life memory. We've moved on from 'only really effects the elderly & vulnerable' - there is a high percentage of people who are very healthy either ending up in ICU on ventilators or dying from this.

If you are not scared about a virus that can quite easily kill off the 'elderly' (60 isn't old by the way) or vulnerable then that is a pretty selfish thing to say. If lockdown restrictions were eased now - hundreds of thousands of people would die unnecessarily and you'd be happy to contribute to that just so you can 'live your life'?

3-6 months of restrictions to help save peoples out of our 70-100 years on this planet is nothing and I'm more than happy to do my bit.
 
Hally said:
Come to work with me, that'll scare you. Today only - 3 colleagues on the ward as patient, 49 year old incubated, 50/50 to live. That's today
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There's a guy over the road from me who works at John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford, he said 2 of his colleagues, both 50 died last week. So this really bought it home to him and got him worried....then Easter comes around and the house next door to me have balloons out on the door for a 2 year old's birthday party! Relatives start arriving, presents etc....the guy over the road was not happy! Fuming with them. Think he grassed them up as police told people to leave soon after....some people are just f*cking idiots
 
ElrowLovers said:
Well I totally understand your emotions. But with sharing information from your shifts...you're adding to that fear. And no it won't scare me because just as almost everyone I read the papers, I watch the news, I get it...it's a shitty virus and people die from it. But I will stick to my points I made earlier, the vast majority of people dying from this virus worldwide are either old people or people with underlying conditions.
There will always be exceptions, sadly, but they are still exceptions. So while I care for the elderly and other risk groups, I will not get scared by this virus. We cannot live in fear. The essence of life is not surviving alone, death will always be a risk in our lives.
I totally respect the incredible hard work you and all other health workers are doing right now but it's not necessary to 'scare' people. Not with information from the IC units, because we never had that information about other viruses or death causes too and people die all the time sadly. And not with so-called 'experts' saying this will last until 2022 or even longer. It does not help.

Let's be clear, I certainly hope your colleagues and patient will survive this misery and your shifts get back to 'normal' again.
I get it, you see horrible stuff. You didn't sign up to see that everyda. But that doesn't mean the world should stop spinning and people can't complain about the lockdowns.
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Until we get a vaccine the choice is pretty much some level of social distancing or lots of old people dying in a pretty horrendous way. So yes, people have the right to complain about social distancing, I have the right to care about older people and think all the moaning and scrabbling for justification is a bit pathetic.

As for fear, I'm not scared for myself and I am on Covid 19 wards 6 days a week. Youngish, healthyish, should be okay if (when) I get it but my mum and lots of of other people I care about very much are at risk. I imagine everyone here is in exactly that position. So bit of fear, keep people doing what they need to do so they dont kill everyones older relatives isnt a bad thing for me personally.

I get that a return to some form of social and economic normality is needed but the balance has to be on saving older peoples lives
 
Springal said:
I think you're being quite disrespectful to be honest. All healthcare workers I know are saying they've never seen anything like this in our lifetime. You seem to be saying that this kind of thing has been seen before which simply isn't true. Yes maybe in some countries in isolated periods but never globally on this scale or the impact it is having on medical facilities in living life memory.
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Not saying we've seen this before, but I think it's not necessary we get the images from the IC's on tv, socials and now even here in the forum. Healthcare workers will always want to save that patient before them, that's what they've signed up for and it's admirable. I agree they should be respected for that and valued way better. But it should not be used to scare the public.

We've moved on from 'only really effects the elderly & vulnerable' - there is a high percentage of people who are very healthy either ending up in ICU on ventilators or dying from this.
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Would love to see the numbers (and not speculative articles) on this, because from what I've been reading...this is untrue.
The population of people getting really sick and dying is still roughly the same; mostly male, peak age 80, mostly obese and other underlying deceases. Lots of cases with young people dying turned out to have underlying issues after all, such as unknown leukemia or heart problems.

If you are not scared about a virus that can quite easily kill off the 'elderly' (60 isn't old by the way) or vulnerable then that is a pretty selfish thing to say. If lockdown restrictions were eased now - hundreds of thousands of people would die unnecessarily and you'd be happy to contribute to that just so you can 'live your life'?

3-6 months of restrictions to help save peoples out of our 70-100 years on this planet is nothing and I'm more than happy to do my bit.
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It never was about me living my life. It's about the damage 3-6 months will do to the economy, healthcare (other healthcare than corona-healthcare such as cancer treatments, mental health problems etc.) and society in general. So 3-6 months lockdowns in the world is TOO LONG, it will do more damage than the virus itself.
 
Hally said:
Until we get a vaccine the choice is pretty much some level of social distancing or lots of old people dying in a pretty horrendous way. So yes, people have the right to complain about social distancing, I have the right to care about older people and think all the moaning and scrabbling for justification is a bit pathetic.

As for fear, I'm not scared for myself and I am on Covid 19 wards 6 days a week. Youngish, healthyish, should be okay if (when) I get it but my mum and lots of of other people I care about very much are at risk. I imagine everyone here is in exactly that position. So bit of fear, keep people doing what they need to do so they dont kill everyones older relatives isnt a bad thing for me personally.

I get that a return to some form of social and economic normality is needed but the balance has to be on saving older peoples lives
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Thanks, I think we agree on some level. I totally agree we will have some form of social distancing to let you and your collagues be able to save older people lives and not be flooded with work.

And before this discussion gets out of control (again lol), my initial reply about the media scaring people was about so-called 'experts' this will last until 2022. This cannot last until 2022. Some form of social distancing perhaps. But life needs to get started again or we are all terribly f***ed and our children too.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
Yes, it is. We can have less air travel and still enjoy Ibiza - I don't see a contradiction there.
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I do. But perhaps I misinterpret your reply. Are you thinking of other ways to travel?

Most forum members here fly to the island twice a year. Including me.
I dont see myself or others changing that after this. Even more so, I hope for countries depending on tourism we won't change that.
 
ElrowLovers said:
I do. But perhaps I misinterpret your reply. Are you thinking of other ways to travel?

Most forum members here fly to the island twice a year. Including me.
I dont see myself or others changing that after this. Even more so, I hope for countries depending on tourism we won't change that.
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I fly to Ibiza once a year and maximise my time there - 9 or 10 nights. I don't have kids/pets that will miss me while I'm away. One set of flights a year, at the end of the season every year, is ethically the best I'm willing to do. Not saying what other people should do, but I think we should examine our consumption habits in various areas of our lives and see what changes we're willing to make...
 
Hally said:
Until we get a vaccine the choice is pretty much some level of social distancing or lots of old people dying in a pretty horrendous way. So yes, people have the right to complain about social distancing, I have the right to care about older people and think all the moaning and scrabbling for justification is a bit pathetic.

As for fear, I'm not scared for myself and I am on Covid 19 wards 6 days a week. Youngish, healthyish, should be okay if (when) I get it but my mum and lots of of other people I care about very much are at risk. I imagine everyone here is in exactly that position. So bit of fear, keep people doing what they need to do so they dont kill everyones older relatives isnt a bad thing for me personally.

I get that a return to some form of social and economic normality is needed but the balance has to be on saving older peoples lives
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How's PPE situation for you and where are you based?
 
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