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Barrel of laughs here

To be honest, I think I'd rather catch coronavrius then live in the dystopic wasteland you're painting. Hope you're wrong mate, but chin up, eh x
Haha. Chin is up mate. Just realistic and pragmatic. I’m not sure why you are suggesting I’m painting a picture of a dystopic wasteland. I just want this over this asap when it is safe and I want people to have jobs to go back to or retain. Then we can all enjoy our leisure time however we wish. I think that’s a positive position to take and a realistic objective. You can’t align hippy principles to any country’s economic recovery strategy and still hope to achieve that objective.
 
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Maybe you are being realistic. But if somebody gave me the choice of being right, or being happy, I'd choose the latter

And nobody could read back your posts from today or earlier in this thread and hope they come to pass, no matter how realistic they are. Some things are just better left unsaid
 
Maybe you are being realistic. But if somebody gave me the choice of being right, or being happy, I'd choose the latter

And nobody could read back your posts from today or earlier in this thread and hope they come to pass, no matter how realistic they are. Some things are just better left unsaid
I don’t see it as a choice between being right and being happy.

you can’t align hippy principles to any business recovery strategy. People will be far more unhappy if they find themselves unemployed as a result of covid-19.

What I hope for and think will happen will be different things. Unfortunately I’ve been proven right from the outset on this subject and what I have posted here and no one is more disappointed about that than me. You are criticising me for getting things right because it’s not what you (or I) wanted. That is just ridiculous and personal so there is little point posting here.

preparing for the future based on sound logic will help us all recover and enjoy life much more than we are now. I really don’t see what you think I’m being negative about apart from disagreeing with your desire for public holidays to be rescheduled.
 
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Your posts are generally negative long before our current situation, and maybe that's just your personality and/or your coping mechanism and that's fine. Your posts are informed and you're a great contributor to this forum

But please accept that there are others who are not like you, and need that ray of positivity and who thinking of a bleak future would do more harm than good

I'm more than prepared to be wrong and if things go tits up to the degree your predicting, then I'm gonna feel a lot better knowing that I spent the months before trying to stay upbeat then admitting defeat. Just who I am. I'm not immune to bouts of negativity, but I do my best to avoid it and I believe that life is better when you're smiling. If that makes me a fantatist, then guilty

And I still hope you're wrong
 
What about after summer? Just 2020 in general would give us some kind of hope

hard to tell. right now it's almost impossible to get to the balearics without a good reason. and since you don't have a house here yet and thus no residencia neither (correct me if I'm wrong), I believe that for now you simply couldn't come here. I'm sure that bit by bit those measures will get more relaxed, but when, that's the big question here. if I were you I'd try to keep options open and try to keep living and working where you are and once things get better reassess the situation.

as mentioned a while ago, if this turns out a non-tourism summer (at least for the international part), after the season you should be able to find some amazing deals for houses I think. I truly think people will be happier than ever to negotiate just to get some money. the page has turned and it's clear that it will take a long time until we're back at the same economical level...
 
Your posts are generally negative long before our current situation, and maybe that's just your personality and/or your coping mechanism and that's fine. Your posts are informed and you're a great contributor to this forum

But please accept that there are others who are not like you, and need that ray of positivity and who thinking of a bleak future would do more harm than good

I'm more than prepared to be wrong and if things go tits up to the degree your predicting, then I'm gonna feel a lot better knowing that I spent the months before trying to stay upbeat then admitting defeat. Just who I am. I'm not immune to bouts of negativity, but I do my best to avoid it and I believe that life is better when you're smiling. If that makes me a fantatist, then guilty

And I still hope you're wrong
Far from negative. I tend to seek to balance good and bad, likes and dislikes. But I think it’s a positive thing to speak up about things we don’t agree with or don’t like rather than simply ignore. I realise my head sanding comment pissed off spotlight a couple of weeks ago but I said what I said because I don’t want folks to be disappointed or financially penalised (not by spotlight I hasten to add) by sharks that we have read about here even today like hotels and airlines taking advantage of people. I think that is turning a negative into a positive.

But if that’s the perception and prevailing view of me I will take my leave. All the best. ?
 
Far from negative. I tend to seek to balance good and bad, likes and dislikes. But I think it’s a positive thing to speak up about things we don’t agree with or don’t like rather than simply ignore. I realise my head sanding comment pissed off spotlight a couple of weeks ago but I said what I said because I don’t want folks to be disappointed or financially penalised (not by spotlight I hasten to add) by sharks that we have read about here even today like hotels and airlines taking advantage of people. I think that is turning a negative into a positive.

But if that’s the perception and prevailing view of me I will take my leave. All the best. ?

I don't believe we're headsanding.

we're voicing what is said and written on the island. it is very much possible that this will turn out a complete non-season and we've said this a few times in the meantime here, but as you can see in the other thread where I've put the links to articles, there are still various sources that believe we will have some kind of summer.
 
I don't believe we're headsanding.

we're voicing what is said and written on the island. it is very much possible that this will turn out a complete non-season and we've said this a few times in the meantime here, but as you can see in the other thread where I've put the links to articles, there are still various sources that believe we will have some kind of summer.
I don’t think you guys are now. I think you did early on as you have a vested interest. You soon shifted. What you say on here maybe and may have been very different to what you planned for. Let’s hope there is some kind of season for you.
 
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I don’t think you guys are now. I think you did early on as you have a vested interest. What you say on here maybe and may have been very different to what you planned for. Let’s hope there is some kind of season for you.

I won't deny that our outlook has changed as the situation has evolved. about two or three weeks ago I held up my hand and actually admitted that in a very early stage I said I would never have thought it would happen the way it did. I've got absolutely no problem with admitting that. and since we're depending on tourists it's simply human to hope it won't be a complete non-season. and I don't believe that qualifies as headsanding, but that's maybe nitpicking.

on the island right now it's very much a 'hope for the best, but prepare for the worst' scenario for EVERYONE (well, apart from supermarket and NHS staff that is). but as one of those newspieces said I linked to, hope dies last.
 
I won't deny that our outlook has changed as the situation has evolved. about two or three weeks ago I held up my hand and actually admitted that in a very early stage I said I would never have thought it would happen the way it did. I've got absolutely no problem with admitting that. and since we're depending on tourists it's simply human to hope it won't be a complete non-season. and I don't believe that qualifies as headsanding, but that's maybe nitpicking.

on the island right now it's very much a 'hope for the best, but prepare for the worst' scenario for EVERYONE (well, apart from supermarket and NHS staff that is). but as one of those newspieces said I linked to, hope dies last.
Things change mate. Nothing wrong with changing opinion and approach. It was interesting to see the head sanding comment was rounded on by spotlight immediately before the shifts in approach. And it’s clearly causing you guys anxt now judging by today reaction. It’s a shame that a realistic outlook and advice is perceived as negativity when the objective is to try and help people avoid being fleeced. But so be it. Won’t occur again.
 
Can you give jist of what it says? Tried google translate webpage and just get the attached ?
The Government sets the stage for a summer without foreign tourism

Several sources of the Executive recognize ABC that they study to prevent the arrival of foreign tourists

Restrictions are contemplated in the transport and control of gauging even in the field of national tourism.
the use of masks in public transport and the maintenance of the distances recommended by the health authorities. In this scenario, the measure with the greatest impact on the national economy would be the one that turns black on white: closure of borders (total or partial), which would mean that the powerful flow of international tourism would not enter and instead the promotion of tourism. national throughout the summer as a holiday alternative.
 
Can you give jist of what it says? Tried google translate webpage and just get the attached ?
The Government is already working on a plan that envisages a summer without foreign tourism, with the borders closed in this case. But also with measures to restrict national mobility, the use of masks in public transport and the maintenance of the distances recommended by the health authorities. In this scenario, the most impactful measure for the national economy would be the one that turns black on white: border closure (total or partial), which would mean that the powerful flow of international tourism did not enter and instead the promotion of national tourism throughout the summer as a holiday alternative.
A double-direction measurement for both inputs and outputs. That is, that the Spaniards get to the idea that in the summer period, no one will leave the national territory, unless a specific health certificate recommends it. Such a measure would, of course, be subject to this and other exceptions, as envisaged in each phase change decreed by the Government, including the state of alarm declared on 14 March and in successive extensions.
The Government will call this new scenario "the return to normality", a message that has been sliding the government's first swords. But this "return to normal" that could occur from 26 April in certain "non-essential" works will not be normal in its entire dimension if, as ABC has known, travel within the country will remain limited. In public transport, train and coach trips, the sanitary measures will be very restrictive: 30% of the ticket will not be sold, and if this percentage is extended, it will always be taking into account the capacity of the chosen convoys and vehicles. To give an example: in a car you can travel a couple and their children, respecting the meter and a half of dictated estrangement. Of course the idea is the reduction of agglomerations both in events and in certain spaces. And in summer you can go to the beach? This point has not been closed, but the limitation of the capacity in the sands is one of the measures that epidemiological and scientific experts would have advised and the Government should consider. But it will be very difficult to see the images of all the years of tourists contesting the first line of the beach or those crowded beaches.
Among the Executive's plans would also include the reinforcement of national tourism, which would range from aid to rural tourism to enhance this way of "staying at home", in reference to the national map, and also the reinforcement of transport measures that meant that citizens did not always have to travel in their private vehicles, but could reach a rural house inland , for example, if it is your chosen destination, on a regular train or coach line and without the risk of contagion.
Boosting national tourism
This plan that has already been put on the table of the Ministry of Transport, José Luis Abalos, would have one objective: to ensure that during the summer months no unnecessary risks are taken that would cause a "second wave of epidemiological" from September, as foreseen by public health specialists. Yesterday, the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Commerce, Reyes Maroto, acknowledged at a press conference that work is being done on several scenarios to recover in a "progressive" way the tourism sector, which contributes 12% of Spain's total GDP and 13% of employment. In this context, Maroto acknowledged that it will be national tourism that "will recover first", although he did not want to specify whether international travel will be restricted this summer.
The Ministry is already working on a campaign to boost inland tourism and strengthen certain public infrastructures, such as the Paradores. The Government's obsession is to ensure that the summer season is "safe," as Maroto acknowledged yesterday, even if this is to lengthen the economic crisis of companies in the sector. Both hotel and airline airlines privately acknowledge that the summer season is already virtually lost because of the restrictions that European governments will impose on air transport. When these rise, or at least relax, in the tourism sector they assume that demand will suffer from a crisis of confidence of international tourists, who will think twice before travelling to Spain, one of the focuses of the pandemic in Europe.
Controlling autumn
Being as prepared as possible for autumn and winter 2021 is already a concern of the Government and experts. And for that control what happens in summer can be fundamental. Government sources want to value future scenarios very cautiously. Summer will surely be exceptional, but a member of the Executive insists that "nothing is decided".
But the Government is already working on all these scenarios, and we also study the de-escalation analyses of several private institutions where international tourism is not considered open until the autumn. But despite caution, several members of the Council of Ministers endorse this scenario of a summer in an exclusively national key. "It is impossible at this moment to predict anything, although international tourism I see it virtually impossible," acknowledges a member of the Government.
Another cabinet partner abounds in this idea: "International tourism will take time", he says, because prior to the reopening of borders, connectivity should be "recomposed" and provided as "means to ensure that they do not spread". Spain is being one of the countries most hit by this crisis. But at the same time other countries are delayed in the scene of contagion and deceased. The problem is coming to Spain but also in leaving Spain: "We have to regain confidence that it does not affect health coming to Spain, but we also have to have the confidence that they will not bring us the virus", they assure us that it must be an issue that "must be focused from the international level".
 
(In the UK) I've just been down to the cemetery to have a word with mum and dad, and the darned thing's locked off. How can you pass CV on standing by a grave?? I'm in a low place as it is and that's just sent me further down. And as I have alluded to before, I've a garden and some decent space. There will be millions out there who have nothing but their flat, and they must be tearing their hair out.

Whilst these lockdowns are necessary (no argument there) the government should be giving us signs that things are starting to move. They're not, and that's why people are gathering in BBQ's and street parties against advice and using up police time.
 
no im at my work computer, google translate only lets you do a few paragraphs at a time Bing translate seems to work a little better
 
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