Nostalgic
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Euro 2020 is a good bet
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No, this applies to a minority of British people. Please don't tar us all with the same brush!
MrHullMysterious
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Well besides fact Irish sea boarder was proposed by EU wayback when and Tories rejected it as crossed their red lines (when DUP mattered to Tories lol) but now it's ok, I was pointing out they removed legal protections which I feel is a bit sneaky and perhaps indicates a race to the bottom. Guess time will tell.
Johnny Vodka
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Not all rules are bad... The Tories want to leave the EU so they can start dismantling workers' rights and I would expect environmental protection, food standards, etc will go downhill too. We'll be even less fussy about who we do deals with as long as we get the business. If you care about ease of travel and the opportunity to work in other countries, I'd say being in the EU is a good thing.
Crawleytown
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On the flip side of that, if a Labour government gets elected they could actually increase workers protections? Currently most purist Socialist policies would be illegal under the EU state aid and competition laws.
The actual substance of what gets implemented immediately post Brexit is almost irrelevant - the point is that future governments would be free to implement whatever policies and laws were most appealing to the majority of the electorate at the time.
Nostalgic
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Scotland = its hardly the independance that they crave is it? Is it worth splitting the union for?
As for working in different countries, its quite easy if you have the required skills? Which is what every country should be like IMO? Just look how many non EU people are working here, and how many have emigrated?
Labour have kept saying Torys will sell off the NHS for years, yet.... its still here?
Corbyn is a champagne socialist, can't even keep his party together especially with his anti semetic problems, what chance they got running the UK?
You vote Lib Dems and all you would get is a gender neutral bog in every bar/pub, not forgetting the cancellation of brexit? Hardly democratic is it? The options are total shite who to vote
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Buckley
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Pretending there's equivalence between these two 'independences' is tad disingenuous. Unless you genuinely don't get that, in which case it's something else.
Johnny Vodka
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Young people especially should have a chance to work in other countries without having 'special' skills.
Johnny Vodka
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The whole Corbyn is an anti-Semite/terrorist sympathiser is well over done when you have a racist as PM (letterboxes, watermelon smiles) and a govt which is more than happy to sell arms to Saudi which we know are being used to kill civilians.
North
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The eurozone is a sinking ship, no wonder people want to leave :
“Italy owes $2.3 trillion (€2.06 trillion) in public debt.”
“The ECB has spent 2.6 trillion euros ($3 trillion) over almost four years, buying up mostly government but also corporate debt, asset-backed securities and covered bonds — at a pace of 1.3 million euros a minute.”
“Italy owes $2.3 trillion (€2.06 trillion) in public debt.”
“The ECB has spent 2.6 trillion euros ($3 trillion) over almost four years, buying up mostly government but also corporate debt, asset-backed securities and covered bonds — at a pace of 1.3 million euros a minute.”
Nostalgic
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Why should they? What good does it offer the countries?
Nostalgic
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I'd much prefer Boris than that clown and his idiots
Nostalgic
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Free movement of low skilled workers, a hard border up with England, straight away thats what the EU will want. Hardly got a say has she?
How about England have a referendum on wether to keep Scotland? Shut her up once and for all hopefully that would
johndiamond
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I take issue with shouts of " reversing brexit is undemocratic." it may be, it may not be.
It would be undemocratic if the commons reversed it now without a public vote.
I doubt it will happen but if Lib dems state clearly that they will cause UK to remain in EU and get subsequently elected to government by the public on the back of that manifesto , then that's how democracy works right?
Its a far bigger issue, yes, but it's the same theory as voting to reverse tax rises/cuts from the previous government, or indeed voting to overturn the votes of those who chose to enter the EU all those years ago.
Every general election reverses a previous public decision of some sort.
My personal frustration is the lack of clarity/thought/credibility of the non-brexit manifesto pledges of all the main parties.
The UK political class of all parties appears to be made up of career politicians who have ZERO experience of real life, which in my eyes reduces most of their policies to guesswork and chance
It would be undemocratic if the commons reversed it now without a public vote.
I doubt it will happen but if Lib dems state clearly that they will cause UK to remain in EU and get subsequently elected to government by the public on the back of that manifesto , then that's how democracy works right?
Its a far bigger issue, yes, but it's the same theory as voting to reverse tax rises/cuts from the previous government, or indeed voting to overturn the votes of those who chose to enter the EU all those years ago.
Every general election reverses a previous public decision of some sort.
My personal frustration is the lack of clarity/thought/credibility of the non-brexit manifesto pledges of all the main parties.
The UK political class of all parties appears to be made up of career politicians who have ZERO experience of real life, which in my eyes reduces most of their policies to guesswork and chance
Kim Wrong Un
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personally I think it's dishonest to overlook Corbyn's dark side, just because you're desperate to get the conservatives out - it's well known that the people who form his inner circle all worshipped the Soviet Union and IRA in the 80s and hate the Jews... this stuff does kinda matter... even in 2019 because Britain needs someone who can sensitively handle its many communities and relationships with other countries and who can inspire trust across divides. this is a large reason why I cannot vote Corbyn.
Exactly. This whole rules thing is a complete red herring. As soon as any group countries wish to trade with each other they have to establish a common set of rules about what is is that's being traded. To claim that we'd no longer have to comply with any rules yet still trade freely with other countries is a complete nonsense and the other thing leaving the EU would do is remove us from the rule making process while still tying us to the same rules. It's an exercise in giving up control rather than taking it back.
Johnny Vodka
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Still not convinced @Kim Wrong Un , especially when legitimate criticism of Israel can be attacked as anti-Semitism. I'm not particularly a Corbyn fan btw.
Johnny Vodka
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You don't think it's good that young people have the chance to work in another country? A Brit can go work in Spain, a Spaniard can come work in Britain. Sounds like good opportunities for citizens.
Kim Wrong Un
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agree with you here.
the Erasmus education programme gave me the opportunity to spend a year at a Spanish university and meet people from all over Europe. It's a great experience, opening you up to different cultures. Similary EURES has a huge jobs portal offering people the chance to work anywhere. It's a crime to deny British kids these options, especially if options are limited where they live.
Nostalgic
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Yes I do providing its for the benefit of the country they move to. We don't need anymore eastern european car washers to come here, or to open up a polska shop when there are already 5 in the same street. rather much higher skilled workers, in a sector where it needs be filled. Either by British or foreign national, rather the former of course
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