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Whatever happened to the main bus terminal in Ibiza town? Saw it one year, and gone the next. Here is a Spotlight article from 2004.




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Aaron_2014 said:
Whatever happened to the main bus terminal in Ibiza town? Saw it one year, and gone the next. Here is a Spotlight article from 2004.




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You should have followed the story as it rolled along.
Built, opened, not fit for purpose, closed, lots of financial wrangling and politics involved....
 
Deco33 said:
What is the solution?
A restriction on the number of flights coming in?
Put a stop to all future construction regarding hotels, bars and clubs?
Limit the number of foreign seasonal workers so that the locals can profit more from tourism?
Shorten the length of the season?
How do they intend to reduce visitors anually?
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Venice is working on it.

Venice poised to segregate tourists as city braces itself for May Day 'invasion'
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
 
CasaNegron said:
Mass transit typically does not work on small islands (trust me). There is not the population density to support it (properly), and the typical work-arounds to afford it tend to be a reduction of staff or deferred maintenance of the fleet. The result is you tend to get an unreliable service that dissuades further ridership, perpetuating the cycle by forcing otherwise willing people into cars. The bottom line is that it is really expensive to run a regular service for such a small population. Nobody want to pay 8 euros to go one-way to the supermarket to subsidize the times the bus is running regularly, every 15 min, and on schedule but with only 2-3 people on it.

What seems to work on rural islands is a blended system where you have the official city autobus (subsidized gov monopoly), augmented by private operators (usually a single guy with a 12-15 passenger van with a taxi license) that run at popular times/routes at their convenience. Here people use the van-guys more often than the "real bus", however even then there is no real service outside of 'normal' hours 6am to 7pm.
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Interesting point about the minivans. Barbados have a network of them that run along routes (alongside regular buses that have a timetable and official stops) but you can stick your hand out and hop in them anywhere on the route. Could work in Ibiza but of course the Taxi drivers would not be happy with the extra competition.
 
Digital2013 said:
Interesting point about the minivans. Barbados have a network of them that run along routes (alongside regular buses that have a timetable and official stops) but you can stick your hand out and hop in them anywhere on the route. Could work in Ibiza but of course the Taxi drivers would not be happy with the extra competition.
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Usually those van guys are taxi drivers too and are licened as such. Of course you can always hail a normal cab for door to door service but it wont be the 1-2€ paid on the van route.
 
CasaNegron said:
Mass transit typically does not work on small islands (trust me). There is not the population density to support it (properly), and the typical work-arounds to afford it tend to be a reduction of staff or deferred maintenance of the fleet. The result is you tend to get an unreliable service that dissuades further ridership, perpetuating the cycle by forcing otherwise willing people into cars. The bottom line is that it is really expensive to run a regular service for such a small population. Nobody want to pay 8 euros to go one-way to the supermarket to subsidize the times the bus is running regularly, every 15 min, and on schedule but with only 2-3 people on it.

What seems to work on rural islands is a blended system where you have the official city autobus (subsidized gov monopoly), augmented by private operators (usually a single guy with a 12-15 passenger van with a taxi license) that run at popular times/routes at their convenience. Here people use the van-guys more often than the "real bus", however even then there is no real service outside of 'normal' hours 6am to 7pm.
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Should be nationalised and a not-for-profit type scheme. The minute you get local and national governments wanting these things run privately as they say they can’t afford the investment you start to build up massive problems.

Free (or a peppercorn rate) transport - people of all ages would use it and encourage less car usage. Would help the economy too. Obviously the infrastructure and planning needs to be done properly...but why not?
 
Big Wox said:
Should be nationalised and a not-for-profit type scheme. The minute you get local and national governments wanting these things run privately as they say they can’t afford the investment you start to build up massive problems.

Free (or a peppercorn rate) transport - people of all ages would use it and encourage less car usage. Would help the economy too. Obviously the infrastructure and planning needs to be done properly...but why not?
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Then we have a situation like the Greek railways, where it would of worked out cheaper if they put each passenger in a taxi.
 
My point is that it doesn’t always need to be run for profit as the state generally end up subsidising anyway so it’s a false economy (look at the mess of the UK railways and the franchises etc).
 
Big Wox said:
My point is that it doesn’t always need to be run for profit as the state generally end up subsidising anyway so it’s a false economy (look at the mess of the UK railways and the franchises etc).
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I believe in state ownership of the railways. But on a small island with a population of 150,000 six months a year, it would be a complete white elephant. Plus you would have a complete skills shortage. Signalling, rolingstock and track engineers would need to be employed from the mainland or overseas.
 
Yep difficult to envisage it now in all honesty or any time in the future particularly in the current economic climate.
 
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