Dirk
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Party animals, EDM?????
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Party animals, EDM?????
marc ibz
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well whatever )
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marc ibz
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who knows probably - be interesting to see but i guess there may be qute distinct differences in rooms on one night. just a thought ! IE themed
Amp and Deck
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Spend more time by that sunset. You might chill...
marc ibz
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perfect
DelMarSunset
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Hahaha! Where to even start with this?
I don't know what some of you guys want. I don't even think you do!! So you acknowledge that there are still underground parties - albeit small clutters - but then throw gems out like "the island doesn't support these parties"
Please can you clarify what you mean by that?? Do you mean they need more exposure??? Seems like that's exactly what you don't want from all your harping on the past few pages!!
Yes. There are still underground parties to be found. Many of them are free/cheap. You've just got to know where to look. You've got to know the right people. You have to work for them. Are those such bad things to have to do? If they filter out the VIPs and the kids you so vehemently hate, surely that's a bonus, no?
The very fact that they still exist is proof enough that the spirit of Ibiza is alive. No, it ain't in Pacha. Or Hi. Or the West End. So don't go to those places and stick to your super, uber, underground parties.
Btw, your gripe isn't with Ibiza, per se. Your gripe is with modern life. I have no doubt that you genuinely believe it was better 20 years ago. I'm sure in many cases - maybe even all - it actually was. But what solution are your putting forward? Or are you just on a soapbox? I'm under no disillusion that I will be the same myself in 10/20 years "it was better back in my day, blah, blah, blah" (see every generation since day dot!)
You just sound like a bunch of whinging old men. Maybe you have a valid point. But personally, I couldn't give a shit because you depress the life out of me. Tell me stories of how great it was back in the day, by all means. I will enjoy reading about them. Those that have already - it sounds amazing! Keep them coming! But I don't want to be told how my generation has ruined things for the older generation because as the saying goes: who is responsible for the younger generation?!?!?!
If you dislike it that much, f*** off to Croatia. I'm sure it's loaaaaaaaaaaaads better there(!) Yawn.
The smaller parties I'm referring to are really just the open air parties not named Ushuaia. And yes, the island has done a great job of eliminating those parties, really no argument there, go ask Tini. There are still plenty of smaller and "underground" parties indoors at night.
Solutions? I have tons of them, but I'm not running for Ibiza government so what does it matter? Bring back afters or day partying, tear down and rebuild Ushuaia, fix open air partying, etc. etc. Did that help? Nope, didn't think so.
As for the people complaining about the people complaining about things being better back in the day. Guess what, sometimes it is. As for Croatia, be careful what you wish for. A lot of the true clubbers are going elsewhere whether it be Croatia, Berlin or Mexico. In place of the true clubbers you have more and more selfie stick clubbers who came to the island because of Ushuaia's social media and not the music.
I live in Manhattan. I've seen what gentrification, VIP and tough government policy can do to the scene. It does not end well.
And just for the record I still love the island and will be back for a ton of reasons not nightlife related, but it's frustrating to see where things are heading.
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kimajy
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Croatia - the odd few festies but much whinging about lack of a ready supply of sweets (though that doesn't bother me). Takes too long to travel in & out for a long weekend tho' !
Berlin - plenty of everything all year round. Much whinging about door policy (never bothered me). Obvious choice out of Summer time and totally different thing.
Mexico - well that's probably all over for the foreseeable as the sweetie sellers decided to shoot people (looked OK for a while but too far and broke after Christmas anyway)
Ibiza - longer and longer Seasons, plenty of everything for everyone with even a bit of effort, although there are a few too many selfie sticks and VIPs in places, mainly Playa d'en Bossa and a small handful of beach clubs. The South East corner of the island near the airport and Matutes-land doesn't constitute Ibiza. Few more daytime parties spread around now and again would be nice but personally I'm happy enough with a bit of peace and quiet in the daytime too, don't want beats on every beach these days ! For nearly half the year it's the obvious choice, and no long haul flights for us seals the deal. I enjoyed it back then and overall it's evolved into more what I'm looking for now for a Summer break too tbh !
kimajy
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I haven't heard them in ages but when they transitioned from warm-up to peak time in DC-10 their sets were bang on.
kimajy
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Welcome to the North...
Yup. Boat / car / hike. If it was a 10-minute stumble in a taxi from Bossa it would already have gone the way of all Marlins ... Benirras and Cala Llonga have started to let in the "dark side" a bit but honestly, there are loads of spots to be had with maybe 3 /4 people (or even none) within discernable proximity even in the height of August.... and places like Cala Mastella etc. too far away to be touched by modern glitz. You just have to make a bit of an effort, as with most places in the Med in peak Season !
Moondust
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Decisions decisions.. Do i risk getting Champagne sprayed in the face like a champ or opt for getting my head kicked in..
Amp and Deck
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good post
Buckley
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Pasty Animals!
Too much is made of the EDM thing imo. It is dying out. Look at Miami Ultra this year, much more has been made of the underground house & techno stages having strong line ups, where as a lot of big EDM names are missing and a lot of American sheep kids are moaning that their paying $350 for a weak EDM line up.
Look at Tomorrowland main stage line up too, Joris Voorn, Carl Cox, Luciano, Paul Kalkbrenner all on the main stage for the first time.
With the above in mind I'd be surprised to see Hi throwing loads of money at EDM nights seeing that is the opposite of what is happening elsewhere?
Look at Tomorrowland main stage line up too, Joris Voorn, Carl Cox, Luciano, Paul Kalkbrenner all on the main stage for the first time.
With the above in mind I'd be surprised to see Hi throwing loads of money at EDM nights seeing that is the opposite of what is happening elsewhere?
Amp and Deck
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Under current username, have never been obnoxious to anyone. Provide examples or see me in court.
Back to the discussion. it's encouraging to see quite a few people on this thread are on the same wavelength. I reckon this debate transcends just a few moany old men on the internet. An awful lot of people in Spain are not happy with how things are going, how their identity/culture is getting smashed up by nu-tourism. Which is why we need to harness some positive energy from threads like this and lobby the authorities to protect old Spain, and that means its historic club and music scenes too.
Back to the discussion. it's encouraging to see quite a few people on this thread are on the same wavelength. I reckon this debate transcends just a few moany old men on the internet. An awful lot of people in Spain are not happy with how things are going, how their identity/culture is getting smashed up by nu-tourism. Which is why we need to harness some positive energy from threads like this and lobby the authorities to protect old Spain, and that means its historic club and music scenes too.
Can't argue with this. I'm kinda with @mr_why on this though: we're obsessed with day parties. Why? So many options at night, every night of the week. A few day parties here-and-there, sure. But I'm happy lounging by the pool or on the beach. At night I come alive!
No, it didn't help (see my pie-in-the-sky comment above). So maybe we need more practical, implementable solutions. Sure, they won't have the same magnitude or speed as waving a magic wand. But otherwise, we're just screaming into a laptop. Which seems, well, a bit silly.
I would also love to see more open-air day parties. But I think that's incredibly self-centered of me.
I totally understand why local residents don't and why their government would move to protect them. I wonder how many residents of Ibiza who grew up in the 40s, 50s, 60s would point to the original generation of tourists as being the start of the rot?? Tourism is a double-edged sword. And of course it's more complicated that just tourism = good or tourism = bad. But imagine thousands of people descending on your home for 4-months of the year and completely turning the place over.
If the clubbers had their way then the party would never stop. Can you actually imagine that? Fine if you're there for a week - that'd be amazing!! But imagine having to live with that when raising a young family and getting up for work every morning.
Yeah, yeah. We've heard this before (see above). Gutted I missed all the good stuff (!) Get back to me once you've finished building your time machine.
Joking aside though. I do get it. Christ, when I see my niece and nephews spending their time glued to a tablet instead of out playing, believe me, I get it. But this is where we've got to. We need to concede, it ain't gonna go back to how it was.
Really?! Really?! Not true. I do not know a single person who is fanatical about clubbing who sticks exclusively to one destination. In fact, I would say diversity of destination is pretty high on the list when I think about the ppl I know who love it the most. Sure, they go to Berlin. And Amsterdam. They go to mainland Spain. Italy. Eastern Europe. Miami. And guess what, they still go to Ibiza.
They have concerns with the way things are going just the same as you and I. But they still go. And I can't see that changing in the immediate. How were Ibiza's visitors figures this past summer? can someone remind me?
Absolutely. Part of the reason I avoid Ushuaia and Ocean Beach. Not my scene. Got dragged there for a stag-do last summer. Dull as ditch water. Most ppl seemed to be enjoying themselves there. I was the one with a face like an arse. So who's the idiot?
Yes, gentrification can be grim. It's a circle which happens everywhere. The trouble is the human psyche. Everybody wants to live somewhere nice. Everybody wants nice things to do on their doorstep. Until they reach that age when they have young children, and then it's "keep the noise down, please". And then, before they know it, the improvements have gone to such an extreme, that they've been priced out. Happening everywhere. Not just in Ibiza & New York.
I know. That is very clear. (and admirable) But I think we all do. (probably why we spend our day wasting away in front of a screen). Although some members do like a bit of debate or to stir it up, ultimately I don't think anybody here is a complete tosser. Some play devil's advocate. (some play it better than others) Some get wound up incredibly easily (guilt!)
Some of us are relatively new to the whole thing and some others of us may have questionable taste in regards to music taste and what we consider a good time...
I don't think these guys are bad guys. (and there's been plenty of cases where I've had spats with them on here - and vice-versa). Misinformed? Maybe. But I think telling somebody that they are wrong is not a very productive way of getting them to change their mind.
^^^ This.
Nail. On. Head.
"I'm gonna bin off Ibiza - it's rubbish there now. I'm going to Berlin for a week of dancing, underground music, beaches and sun" - said no one ever. Though - agreed - 2 out of 4 ain't bad!
Even the ppl who gush about Mexico, I'm yet to read/hear a really convincing review that would prompt me to part with that much cash to experience it. And given events in January - for the time being at least - it's a "no" from me.
^^^Yep. You can dismiss all that shite. Now we've said goodbye to Space *sob* and Sankeys is, well, probably more for the Oi!Oi! Fack ooof! generation you need not set foot in Bossa. (and - a few establishments aside - why would you really want to? Dump.)
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mr_why
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Decisions decisions.. Do i risk getting Champagne sprayed in the face like a champ or opt for getting my head kicked in..
Have you ever got champagne in your eyes? It is the worst thing ever! Stings beyond stings....
You may be right. I may be speaking rubbish, but my perception of HiUsh (can we use that as short hand for Hi & Ushuaia), is that they just want the biggest and best parties, and they genuinely don't care what the music is. They'd put on tech-house 7 nights a week if we all flocked their and it filled the venues. There is a lot of hate directed to them, when the irony is they put on the biggest tech-house party of the week with Ants. I still think that if and when EDM dies, the last place it will die is Vegas and Ibiza. Simply because their are X% of people who come on holiday, have no idea what the hell house music genres are and just want to go to a big party with a known name.
Life of Rye
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Admit I troll a little...
But
I am open minded and look at the bigger picture or take a step back and think. People on here get fixated on a certain minority or view and want everyone to agree. A forum is for discussion and debating obviously so a 'controversial' viewpoint is totally welcome.
Just to add I take a dig at no one. Jose gets butt hurt when you take a different stance on his opinion