POOR INNOCENT MAN THAT WAS SHOT

dam0 said:
chewie_oo7 said:
no offence Damo. serious as these events are, the whole tthing is getting blown out of proportion.

u didnt like my c3po impression :(

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:lol:
 
Coffeetime said:
stephen said:
please lets be sensible here.

the police have to shoot to kill. a wounded would be suicide bomber can still explode the bomb and kill or mutilate more people.

ps can we not let this thread deteriorate into a flame fest?

even with a shot to the head the suicide bomber can still set off the bomb
and if there was a bomb!!

just like magic eh?
 
chewie_oo7 said:
think best course of action is to let mr terrorist to go about his daily business huh. dont wanna infringe on the guys human rights huh.
We appear to have lost sight of the fact that it wasn't a terrorist, but apparently a Brazilian electrician on an expired student visa (who finds your weather quite cold compared to home) :roll:
 
synchronicity said:
I don't disagree with a shoot to kill policy under these circumstances, BUT....the bloke got on a bus for three miles before arriving at the tube station, according to The Guardian.

If they were that concerned he were a threat to the public, why wait until he had travelled on a bus, and actually got onto a tube train?!?

Split second decision....... :?: :?



2 teams

an observation team who had been watching the flats


he came out and for what ever reason they decided to follow him...

he got on a bus and plain clothes tailed him on the bus while another team called armed response team as back up.


When he got off the bus he approached the tube where they stopped him to question him.

he took off
the rest is murky tabloid news

but a split second decision... i think not
 
Folks:

Have there been any reports on the experience level (when it comes to using firearms) of these cops? I am very curious to learn the following:

How long have the officers carried firearms?
How often did they practice; on / off duty?

Thanks,

Curious George
 
some detonators can go off once they hit the ground,like a hand granade
so shooting the guy in the head will bring him down setting the detonator off!
finger on the trigger detonators are common! once the finger comes off the trigger, KAA BOOM!!!

I mean the trigger could of been anything. could have been a button switch, could have been a timer, could have been sensor triggerm or pressure trigger,.., the cops killed the guy without knowing anything!
sure they tried to save lives! but you just kill on a guess!
its obvious the cops f***ed up! big time! sure he might of had a bomb!
and then the cops would have been heros! but it didnt turn out that way!
and it just doesnt make sense to kill him after chasing him so long!
when they could have shot him in the legs..or atleast said STOP or we will shoot.. guess they did the dirty harry move. kill then ask questions!
 
dam0 said:
No doubt its related to some mistranslated text which was nothing to do with the matter in question.

Would that be a bit like where is says in the koran that "God" will reward those that choose to murder innocents in his name??? Which forms the whole basis for this "Jihad"

Personally if some bloke (who never existed) told me to go blow myself and 100's others to pieces, and promised me eternal life (in a place that doesnt exist) I tell him to bollocks!!!!

But then I like to think of myself as modern thinking and civillised, not a backward, medieval savage!!

psst mr terrorist....the worlds round you know!!!! ;)
 
Morbyd said:
chewie_oo7 said:
think best course of action is to let mr terrorist to go about his daily business huh. dont wanna infringe on the guys human rights huh.
We appear to have lost sight of the fact that it wasn't a terrorist, but apparently a Brazilian electrician on an expired student visa (who finds your weather quite cold compared to home) :roll:

Someone who speaks and reads perfect English (according to friends and family) and decided upon hearing the words "Armed Police, stop or we will shoot" (including one warning shot), to not only run AWAY, but into a crowded tube station?
 
LagunaBeachCA said:
Folks:

Have there been any reports on the experience level (when it comes to using firearms) of these cops? I am very curious to learn the following:

How long have the officers carried firearms?
How often did they practice; on / off duty?

Thanks,

Curious George

SO19 is the firearms support team for the metropolitan police. they are so highly trained and retrained you would not believe! SO19 support the rest of the metropolitan police so that the rest of the force can police using traditional methods.
 
jjinit said:
Would that be a bit like where is says in the koran that "God" will reward those that choose to murder innocents in his name??? Which forms the whole basis for this "Jihad"

lol no a jihad means nothing of the sort.

Literally, jihad means doing one’s utmost to realize a goal. It is not the equivalent of war, for which Arabic and the Qur’an use qital. Jihad has a wider connotation and embraces every kind of striving in God’s cause.
 
Buckley said:
I see your point (and respect your opinion) but the death penalty is a punishment/revenge, whereas this is not.

No it is even worse it is a one man jury, judge, investigation and execution of the 'trial' verdict.

Buckley said:
I see your problems with what happened but you don't appear to be offering an alternative? What does a policeman do to render a suspected suicide bomber incapable of detonating a bomb?

Well he left his house and got on a bus. They should have stopped him before getting on the bus. If he runs, shoot him in the leg. but you don't have him down and execute him from close range with 5 shots. They could have used those rubber bullets and aim for the head to knock him out. They weren't 100% sure.
 
Just a little point... this innocent man dying is obviously a tragedy. But people i've spoken to appear to be more outraged at this than the original bombings/failed bombings.

Maybe this isn't true, just how it seems to me.

We need to be united as a nation against this. If the next time SO19 have a suspect in their sights and they don't take him out because they are scared of the backlash and he detonates himself then thats another point to the terrorists IMO.
 
dam0 said:
jjinit said:
Would that be a bit like where is says in the koran that "God" will reward those that choose to murder innocents in his name??? Which forms the whole basis for this "Jihad"

lol no a jihad means nothing of the sort.

Literally, jihad means doing one’s utmost to realize a goal. It is not the equivalent of war, for which Arabic and the Qur’an use qital. Jihad has a wider connotation and embraces every kind of striving in God’s cause.

Glad you find it funny!!!!! :?

now you're MISSING THE POINT!!!!
my point was that these "people" are using a "misenterpretation" of something that is written in a book 100's of years ago in order to justify what they are doing!!

you can flower it up as much as you want mate and come back with all the deep stuff that you like, the bottom line is that these people are murdering innocent people, in our capital, people who are just going about their daily business, people like my girlfriend, your mother, my brother, your friend.

I dont give a shit about their cause or their "struggle"
I like to know that when i kiss my girlfriend goodbye each morning that I will be lucky enough to go back to her that night, that is not certain at the moment and it should be my right and the right of everybody else in this country, it is what our granparents fought and died for.

So if you want to get deep then get deep, but in my opinion the only good terrorist is a dead one and preferably not at the expense of a 100 others !!!
 
why oh why is this getting so much coverage.

the mans dead, a mistake was made, let the inquiry judge what went wrong etc.

oh, and nice to see the stop the war coalition having a publicised vigil outside Stockwell station. didnt see them having one for the other 55 dead from few weeks back. :roll:
 
chewie_oo7 said:
why oh why is this getting so much coverage.

the mans dead, a mistake was made, let the inquiry judge what went wrong etc.

oh, and nice to see the stop the war coalition having a publicised vigil outside Stockwell station. didnt see them having one for the other 55 dead from few weeks back. :roll:


Why is getting so much coverage? 8O 8O 8O

An innocent man was killed by the police I think it's obvious why is having so much coverage :? 8O 8O
 
silvia said:
Why is getting so much coverage? 8O 8O 8O

An innocent man was killed by the police I think it's obvious why is having so much coverage :? 8O 8O

i actually agree with Chewie.

the UK media is always ready to rip into our police and security services.

if you were to watch UK news today you could be forgiven for not realising what has gone on prior to Mr. de Mendes death as it has overshadowed everything else.
 
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