POOR INNOCENT MAN THAT WAS SHOT

silvia said:
fatphilb said:
. i don't care what aims they have. as far as i can see, the only justification for al qaeda's cause is they want their state to return to oppresion, the kind of place music is banned, people are killed indiscriminately (bizarrely in the name of honour), women must cover up etc. etc. there is absolutely no justification for acts like this
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fatphill, where did you get these points? :?
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taliban for example banned music (yes even traditional afghan music), and the women of afghanistan were forced to cover themselves from head to toe, or stay indoors.

mercy killings are also rife through the arab world. killed because they bring shame on their family, for crimes like being raped, having unmarried sex or anything else that deems they bring shame on the family. its virtually accepted as far as i believe, but then i know nothing.

besides, im not trying to justify why terrorists are bad, i think thats a no brainer. i only posted to agree with buckley that in the end, nobody wins from this shooting except the perpetrators of the bombings and those who brainwashed them etc.
 
Undertakers....they're the winners and lawyers who make money from the legal battles that happen afterwards. :(
 
fatphilb said:
mercy killings are also rife through the arab world. killed because they bring shame on their family, for crimes like being raped, having unmarried sex or anything else that deems they bring shame on the family. its virtually accepted as far as i believe, but then i know nothing.
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They're called "honor killings"... mercy killing is a slightly different thing :lol:

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have the most reported difficulties with this issue. Pakistan has actually been working quite hard to curtail the practice.
 
Buckley said:
I would be devastated and probably not be able to think objectively (although it has previously been noted that I have an almost psychopathic ability to turn off my emotions) so no, at the time I probably wouldn't agree it was the right response. But that would be subjective, as opposed the logical conclusion I now reach.
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Buckley, this is the way how I see the UK at the moment, subjective and frightened, unable to do some reasonable thinking. Which is absolutely normal but fringhtens me when it is combined with a shoot to kill attitude. One of the post said it people go crazy for everything which isn't normal and see bombs everywhere. How can police officers make a balanced judgement in these circumstances. They deserve a lot more then they get but you can not let one person decide about another persons life.
 
fatphilb said:
taliban for example banned music (yes even traditional afghan music), and the women of afghanistan were forced to cover themselves from head to toe, or stay indoors.

mercy killings are also rife through the arab world. killed because they bring shame on their family, for crimes like being raped, having unmarried sex or anything else that deems they bring shame on the family. its virtually accepted as far as i believe, but then i know nothing.

besides, im not trying to justify why terrorists are bad, i think thats a no brainer. i only posted to agree with buckley that in the end, nobody wins from this shooting except the perpetrators of the bombings and those who brainwashed them etc.
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Yes, but talibans are extremists and they don't represent all the musilman religion. You can't generalise that way

BTW, they are discussing new Iraq constitution if it goes ahead women will loose some rights they used to have while Saddam was on the power.
 
never for 1 second suggested muslims are terrorists, and i wouldn't generalise tha all muslims think this way cause i dont believe they do. if anything, thinking like that is as bad as thinking that all westerners are infidels. live and let live whatever your religion. read my posts again silvia.

i'll just reitterate - IN MY EYES - muslims does not equal terrorists! what a stupid notion.
 
I think we missunderstood at some point, fatphill. ;)
I was refering to your comment in bold, cos bombers are not only from Afghanistan, terrorists are not only taliban


quote="fatphilb"]. i don't care what aims they have. as far as i can see, the only justification for al qaeda's cause is they want their state to return to oppresion, the kind of place music is banned, people are killed indiscriminately (bizarrely in the name of honour), women must cover up etc. etc. there is absolutely no justification for acts like this[/quote]
 
at the end of the day, the most obvious thing we agree on is that this is so completely and horribly wrong.

i used the taliban as an example of repression in that part of the world. as morbyd pointed out, the saudi's have awful human rights records, and pakistan isn't muc better, although that musharraf guy seems to be trying to change things to keep in line with the US. when i used the word state, i simply referred to the region as a whole. its academic anyway, s im not poting anymore about this. seems its hard to reach common ground on a message board where your words can be misinterpreted.

;) no more religion, politics or football from me.
 
wimpers said:
. They deserve a lot more then they get but you can not let one person decide about another persons life.
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Unfortunately where there is potential for the lossl of many lives, that is exactly what must happen. Difficult times require difficult measures.
 
well, its my rule when i go out

dont talk about either of those three things. just causes arguments and fights.

although if pushed to talk about football, id have to mention Dundee United winning the Discovery Cup yesterday :D :D :D (ok its equivalent of a very small 4 flavours sweetie bowl but hey, silverware is silverware :D)
 
fatphilb said:
well, its my rule when i go out

dont talk about either of those three things. just causes arguments and fights.

although if pushed to talk about football, id have to mention Dundee United winning the Discovery Cup yesterday :D :D :D (ok its equivalent of a very small 4 flavours sweetie bowl but hey, silverware is silverware :D)
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Don't knock it - Chewies hoping the Lillywhite's might be allowed in as a 'wildcard' next year. Although Nitey's not watching unless they wear seven year old shirts!
 
Buckley said:
Don't knock it - Chewies hoping the Lillywhite's might be allowed in as a 'wildcard' next year. Although Nitey's not watching unless they wear seven year old shirts!
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you may mock...

:?

i feel sorry for Phil. might go down Oxford Circus and get him a snide shirt from that stall nr H&Ms
 
stuie said:
Morbyd said:
Everyone made a big deal about the thick coat he was wearing. Nothing muslim-related :roll:

The police probably said what they were supposed to, but if I stick 5 guns in your face out of the blue, you tell me if you're clearheaded enough to understand it when I yell something at you.

Honestly, I don't want to take sides or make judgements here... it's just I think we need to be as thoughtful about this guy as we should be about the other victims of the past month.
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The big deal over the thick coat was because of the temperature in London on the day. Do muslims typically wear thick coats then? :lol:

Maybe you are right about making an incorrect spur of the moment decision to run, but perhaps now the policing policy is known to all the next time that happens the 'suspect' will have the sense to put his hands up!

I actually think i'd be too scared to move, let alone run, jump barriers etc.

(I still don't understand why he run! )
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The reason why he ran away (according to the bbc this morning on the news) is because his student visa had expired by 2 years and therefore thought he had been caught out :?
 
chewy is they did make an appearance in the city of discovery you could always guest dj and kip at yvonne's shilag pad partys... has she texted you recently???
 
curtiss_05 said:
The reason why he ran away (according to the bbc this morning on the news) is because his student visa had expired by 2 years and therefore thought he had been caught out :?
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Poor bugger!
 
Buckley said:
Unfortunately where there is potential for the lossl of many lives, that is exactly what must happen. Difficult times require difficult measures.
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I hope you let me not agree with you to let my life depend on how good a police officer has slept or how good his marriage is going. Some people are saying that deadth penalty should be abolished but at least people sentenced to the death penalty get a trial. Difficult times require difficult measures owke but this end with all is fair in war and love and I totally not agree with that.
 
fatphilb said:
chewy is they did make an appearance in the city of discovery you could always guest dj and kip at yvonne's shilag pad partys... has she texted you recently???
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huh?
no she aint txt me about her baps for a while
 
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