johndiamond
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Big turnout this time, which is good to see. Its forgotten by many that people died so we could have the right to vote.
Politics - UK - 2017
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Ikoda
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Most of us either don't read, or don't believe, what we see in the papers
Amp and Deck
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I'm big enough to admit I got it all wrong
I assumed most ex-UKIP would choose a nationalist over a socialist but they split. I underestimated how many students would get off their arses (that tuition fee pledge was in retrospect a stroke of genius, even if there was fat chance of it ever getting implemented). The data analysis will be interesting. the post-mortem at CCHQ will be brutal..
...but somehow the Tories still won and Labour still lost their THIRD election in a row. so perhaps keep that champers on ice, comrades
good to know that the newspapers aren't the force they were, though I should add I work in the industry and it's no secret that the dead-tree news media is sinking fast.
anyway, all a bit of a mess really and the pound is tanking with the potential to screw me right over
on a lighter note, there is something about the ritual around an election count and all the assorted top-hatted eccentrics and misfit no-hopers that makes me so proud of uk democracy even if fundamentally it is totally unfair.
impossible to explain it all to mystified Spanish viewers really!
I assumed most ex-UKIP would choose a nationalist over a socialist but they split. I underestimated how many students would get off their arses (that tuition fee pledge was in retrospect a stroke of genius, even if there was fat chance of it ever getting implemented). The data analysis will be interesting. the post-mortem at CCHQ will be brutal..
...but somehow the Tories still won and Labour still lost their THIRD election in a row. so perhaps keep that champers on ice, comrades
good to know that the newspapers aren't the force they were, though I should add I work in the industry and it's no secret that the dead-tree news media is sinking fast.
anyway, all a bit of a mess really and the pound is tanking with the potential to screw me right over
on a lighter note, there is something about the ritual around an election count and all the assorted top-hatted eccentrics and misfit no-hopers that makes me so proud of uk democracy even if fundamentally it is totally unfair.
impossible to explain it all to mystified Spanish viewers really!
diver
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Ikoda
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balearic joe
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I'm really pleased the youth showed up,and you have to give corbyns team some credit for helping to mobilise them. labour took votes across the board,from all ages though really.
And if the blairites hadn't kept undermining his leadership the past two years at every opportunity,and the Scottish labour party being so,shit,corbyn could be forming a government this morning? Who would've thought it,Scotland saved Theresa may?
Just for the record, the Torys didn't win. There are more votes on the left,between labour,libdems,snp and greens. A labour minority government is the fairest way forward?
And if the blairites hadn't kept undermining his leadership the past two years at every opportunity,and the Scottish labour party being so,shit,corbyn could be forming a government this morning? Who would've thought it,Scotland saved Theresa may?
Just for the record, the Torys didn't win. There are more votes on the left,between labour,libdems,snp and greens. A labour minority government is the fairest way forward?
balearic joe
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It's proved one thing though,centre ground politics is finished.
balearic joe
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And they voted against the good Friday agreement. The Torys coalition of chaos and terrorist sympathisers. The irony. I doubt the the right wing media give a shit.
Amp and Deck
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i don't agree that the UK has left the centre ground. Most people are inherently moderate and are just consumers. I know many who have voted across the spectrum across the years. They see which face fits best, going on instinct. Most people are not anoraks or crave revolution or want to waste away their day arguing on the internet and maybe only give politics a few minutes thought every 4 years. At a guess I'd say some of these people watched Corbyn and thought yeah he's not as bad as I thought but probably formed a quick judgement based on a few seconds caught here and there. maybe others thought he seemed tougher than May. People who aren't necessarily left or right but who were simply worried about May's mental frailty in top end talks and thought he was the lesser risk. Secondly the margins were so tight in so many constituencies that had a few hundred switched the other way we could be talking about a sizeable tory victory. So I'm always suspicious of anyone drawing massive conclusions. Finally did the young turn out because they believed in Corbyn or because they wanted their tuition fees waived...? when you look at it like that, it suddenly doesn't seem quite so ideological and much closer to.... self-interest.
balearic joe
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There isn't enough kids going to,or are at uni to swing a vote either way. So that's bullshit! 18 - 25 turned out because there isn't a future for them as it stands. Corbyn and labour offered them one. Housing,NHS, uni,and a softer brexit,and a more modern forward thinking manifesto rather then tired old establishment politics of the torys and blairites austerity.
Amp and Deck
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I would have voted for Corbyn if I was 18 and he was offering me freebies.
Hellooooo!
Hellooooo!
balearic joe
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Stick with the Torys,you'll be fine. They're obviously offering you a future your happy with.
DarrenW
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yeah, you're massively playing it down imo, by saying the young were swayed by tuition fees only. I mean, we can't complain when they don't engage, then brush it off as selfish when they do.
the country was given a choice, to either rubber stamp the tory's view of the future, or vote for something very much opposed to that view, and we now know which way they went.
we were told (and feared) there would be a tory majority, and at the very least, they will now have to listen to all voices going fwd.
a proper opposition can only be a good thing for all of us
the country was given a choice, to either rubber stamp the tory's view of the future, or vote for something very much opposed to that view, and we now know which way they went.
we were told (and feared) there would be a tory majority, and at the very least, they will now have to listen to all voices going fwd.
a proper opposition can only be a good thing for all of us
Amp and Deck
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I wasn't having a go at the kids. I was one of them myself once! if someone offers you sweeties and sounds sincere about it, of course you'll flock to their rallies. I'd be at the front. seriously. especially if the alternative is is dull and reminds you of your strict parents.
jeez I went to hundreds of NUS events at that age. you join all sorts of societies, because you want discounts, you want to get laid, you want a free hoodie, you want an ISIC card that will get you cheap travel. the idealism gets overplayed. there were a few fringe groups for weirdos who actually 'like' cared about the world and stuff but most 18 years I knew were into music, cannabis and burgers in a bap. same as it ever was.
jeez I went to hundreds of NUS events at that age. you join all sorts of societies, because you want discounts, you want to get laid, you want a free hoodie, you want an ISIC card that will get you cheap travel. the idealism gets overplayed. there were a few fringe groups for weirdos who actually 'like' cared about the world and stuff but most 18 years I knew were into music, cannabis and burgers in a bap. same as it ever was.
Ikoda
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Isn't that what the tories do with the wealthy though? The offer different kinds of sweeties for their voters (less taxation on larger wages, etc), compared to student loans etc for the younger generation?
Amp and Deck
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you're exactly right, which is why I don't blame the kids for looking out for themselves, and Labour played a blinder, capitalising on that