Not true! I do that all the time
(But I'm lucky because I only get hangovers once every few months...)
Hi Morbs.
Just out of interest - is there much of a recreational drug scene in the City Of Heroes?
And/or the places you hang out?
If not, then fair play - I wouldn't see the point, apart from maybe back home with friends.
But that's what I'm saying. Not everyone does. What I'm saying is not everyone gets ill and even if they do it's fine provided they be honest about the situation. Ie:
"Man, this music is ****ing trash, think I might pop a pill, can you watch me?"
Fine, no dramas.
But if it's like "man lets go out so we can pop pills", I'd say "well, you can do that at home"
The worst to me is the whole, need to take drugs to enjoy the party.
As someone who throws my own crappy little parties, I don't want drugs inside. I'd much rather throw a good party and have people leave remembering it for being so good they didn't need drugs to enjoy it. That to me would be the ultimate compliment.
Back before I was old enough to know about drugs and stuff, but was into the music, my elder mentors, their drug taking was such a mystery. Always small doses, they only told one person who'd look after them, and they wouldn't glorify it, especially to youngsters.
They'd be on something but they would purposely try to keep it under wraps and try to appear as if they weren't. Then ****ing, drug dealers just raped the industry and like, taking drugs became glorified. It became about taking drugs not enjoying music, not enjoying the company of others. It was all an inwards journey. What kills me inside is when I see people outside of dance music get succered into going to a club or rave by a dealer and, they don't REALLY like it, until the dealer says "try this", next day they're all ****ing M.O.S'd electro trashed to their ****ing eye balls, living the glamourous ****ing punk trash retro metro M.O.S. lifestyle or, Kandy/Crasher kid life style for that matter.
Thats not a person expressing themselves, thats a drug altering their perceptions. I'd much rather know that person as a goth or emo or gangtster or what ever they are prior to dance music, and discuss the differences and socialise with them on a level we both accept and appreciate, rather than have them take drugs and like dance music and come clubbing with me and talk to me about dance music and **** and show this fake persona that has been created by an excess of MDMA.
Diversity is a blessing. Don't make everyone love dance music, use dance music in a way everyone loves. You can give them all drugs, but, when they start to get stagnant, watch them all come around.
I used to trip balls alot harder putting my eyes close up to the monitor with a screen saver on with some nice hypnotic techno going harder than I ever did any substance or alchohol or anything. I don't want to sound cliche, but music was the drug. It REALLY could **** with you enough to make you lose it. ... It WAS that good. ..
"Man, this music is ****ing trash, think I might pop a pill, can you watch me?"
Fine, no dramas.
But if it's like "man lets go out so we can pop pills", I'd say "well, you can do that at home"
The worst to me is the whole, need to take drugs to enjoy the party.
As someone who throws my own crappy little parties, I don't want drugs inside. I'd much rather throw a good party and have people leave remembering it for being so good they didn't need drugs to enjoy it. That to me would be the ultimate compliment.
Back before I was old enough to know about drugs and stuff, but was into the music, my elder mentors, their drug taking was such a mystery. Always small doses, they only told one person who'd look after them, and they wouldn't glorify it, especially to youngsters.
They'd be on something but they would purposely try to keep it under wraps and try to appear as if they weren't. Then ****ing, drug dealers just raped the industry and like, taking drugs became glorified. It became about taking drugs not enjoying music, not enjoying the company of others. It was all an inwards journey. What kills me inside is when I see people outside of dance music get succered into going to a club or rave by a dealer and, they don't REALLY like it, until the dealer says "try this", next day they're all ****ing M.O.S'd electro trashed to their ****ing eye balls, living the glamourous ****ing punk trash retro metro M.O.S. lifestyle or, Kandy/Crasher kid life style for that matter.
Thats not a person expressing themselves, thats a drug altering their perceptions. I'd much rather know that person as a goth or emo or gangtster or what ever they are prior to dance music, and discuss the differences and socialise with them on a level we both accept and appreciate, rather than have them take drugs and like dance music and come clubbing with me and talk to me about dance music and **** and show this fake persona that has been created by an excess of MDMA.
Diversity is a blessing. Don't make everyone love dance music, use dance music in a way everyone loves. You can give them all drugs, but, when they start to get stagnant, watch them all come around.
I used to trip balls alot harder putting my eyes close up to the monitor with a screen saver on with some nice hypnotic techno going harder than I ever did any substance or alchohol or anything. I don't want to sound cliche, but music was the drug. It REALLY could **** with you enough to make you lose it. ... It WAS that good. ..
what has perhaps suprised me on this forum and on these replies, is the very anti-drugs posts.
I know what side of the fence I sit on but i dont understand people sorta reading this site. Ibiza hedonistic capital of the world. I find it really odd to say the least, someone saying that they can have a good night clean. Well I am sorry YOU need to be intoxicated imo to enjoy a night. This doesnt mean to say I am some kind of alco or a drug addict but its true.
Everyone denying that is lying to themselves imo.
this is my humble opinion.
I know what side of the fence I sit on but i dont understand people sorta reading this site. Ibiza hedonistic capital of the world. I find it really odd to say the least, someone saying that they can have a good night clean. Well I am sorry YOU need to be intoxicated imo to enjoy a night. This doesnt mean to say I am some kind of alco or a drug addict but its true.
Everyone denying that is lying to themselves imo.
this is my humble opinion.
coley
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You don't. If you do, you go to **** parties and its as simple as that. Your mentality is the exact kind that makes what I do offensive.
"You need drugs" is just, bull****. .. What about when you go to a family do and its like "Oh man, I need to get drunk to get threw this" .. Same thing. Thats the kind of level you drop dance music to if you need to alter your brain to get through it.
Rather than take drugs to enjoy it why don't you just say "Hey this is ****, it's not for me, I'll find music I like, like heavy metal or RnB or something?"
But thats the promoters, djs and producers fault as well because they should be making music and mixes and gigs that make people say "WHy do I need drugs to enjoy this? Im enjoying it enough as it is"
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"You need drugs" is just, bull****. .. What about when you go to a family do and its like "Oh man, I need to get drunk to get threw this" .. Same thing. Thats the kind of level you drop dance music to if you need to alter your brain to get through it.
Rather than take drugs to enjoy it why don't you just say "Hey this is ****, it's not for me, I'll find music I like, like heavy metal or RnB or something?"some unbelievable comments on her. You are so naive its untrue. Look at the history of dance music
Phil_Dicko
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Look, I think in the heat of generalisation, people are repeatedly forgetting that everybody's different. The idea of "partying" attracts a variety of people from a variety of backgrounds for a variety of reason, so people will go about that partying in a number of different ways. And we all have different levels of temperance and self-control.
I myself am 100% passionate about dance music. I'm dance music to the absolute core. So, like many, I can enjoy a wide spectrum of electronic music without drugs including alcohol. The music comes first. Always.
But at the same time, I've developed a very "spiritual" and philosophical view of clubbing as an activity over the last view years, and that view involves an open and positive interpretation of certain substances and their role in clubbing. As has already been said in this topic by Robder and hoops, this combination of intoxicating substances and getting together in the presence of music is 10-15,000 years old and is actually socially more significant than people realise.
I wouldn't say I 'need' drugs by any means. I remember at Creamfields last year I chose to stay relatively sober on the 2nd day and still had a cracking time seeing Halliwell, Corsten and Sander Van Doorn. That's just me... I push the pain barrier in the name of good dance music. That's how much I love it.
But some (I won't even say most) do 'need' drugs. Whether that's because their body chemistry causes them to have such a good time on them that their expectations of what is a "good time" are pushed well out of proportion or because they aren't really into the music that much is again dependent on the person.
And I actually respect people's reasons for not doing drugs, particularly if a person has done them before and been able to formulate their own opinions as a result. The anti-drugs stance that does piss me off is the one where people assume that alcohol is much less dangerous than other illegal substances. It really riles me when people bad mouth "pill heads" and "coke heads" and then go out and get so legless on booze that they can't stand up. Many in society have this idea that dropping a couple of pills is really sinister, yet downing a pint in 5 seconds or drinking 14 double vodka red bulls is really f*cking cool. That's just sheer media-reinforced ignorance. Not that I think there are many people in this forum that will subscribe to that view.
I myself am 100% passionate about dance music. I'm dance music to the absolute core. So, like many, I can enjoy a wide spectrum of electronic music without drugs including alcohol. The music comes first. Always.
But at the same time, I've developed a very "spiritual" and philosophical view of clubbing as an activity over the last view years, and that view involves an open and positive interpretation of certain substances and their role in clubbing. As has already been said in this topic by Robder and hoops, this combination of intoxicating substances and getting together in the presence of music is 10-15,000 years old and is actually socially more significant than people realise.
I wouldn't say I 'need' drugs by any means. I remember at Creamfields last year I chose to stay relatively sober on the 2nd day and still had a cracking time seeing Halliwell, Corsten and Sander Van Doorn. That's just me... I push the pain barrier in the name of good dance music. That's how much I love it.
But some (I won't even say most) do 'need' drugs. Whether that's because their body chemistry causes them to have such a good time on them that their expectations of what is a "good time" are pushed well out of proportion or because they aren't really into the music that much is again dependent on the person.
And I actually respect people's reasons for not doing drugs, particularly if a person has done them before and been able to formulate their own opinions as a result. The anti-drugs stance that does piss me off is the one where people assume that alcohol is much less dangerous than other illegal substances. It really riles me when people bad mouth "pill heads" and "coke heads" and then go out and get so legless on booze that they can't stand up. Many in society have this idea that dropping a couple of pills is really sinister, yet downing a pint in 5 seconds or drinking 14 double vodka red bulls is really f*cking cool. That's just sheer media-reinforced ignorance. Not that I think there are many people in this forum that will subscribe to that view.
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hoops, sorry about the swearing. I'm just vulgar 
But yeah man. If you find it hard to believe then, I think your into the wrong music. The ancients might have been intoxicated and stuff, but, in time we've established knowledge, alot of it. .. I think if you took a cave man to a rave now he wouldnt need drugs to blow his mind
But yeah man. If you find it hard to believe then, I think your into the wrong music. The ancients might have been intoxicated and stuff, but, in time we've established knowledge, alot of it. .. I think if you took a cave man to a rave now he wouldnt need drugs to blow his mind
Phil_Dicko
Active Member
With the greatest respect, NA, I don't think you're quite getting the reference to the ancients. Which is no disgrace, because the issue is far deeper than any of us have presened here.
Looks for the work of Terence McKenna, mate. There's an amazing lecture on google video called Seeking The Stone which just about sums up the argument. He doesn't talk about music specifically by any means, but you don't have to look far to see how his vision feeds into modern clubbing and dance culture. Some, and certainly I, would say what the ancients got it right in many ways.
agentundercover
Active Member
uterly clueless. your fast turning into the board comedian. ladies and gents we have johnny70.
Mr Dicko, I do get it. They would watch the sun rise and unleash all this primal stuff and yeah.
Agent under cover: I've been banned from so many internet forums for debates like this that, well ****, I'd run you a list if I could remember them all.
Honestly, I get the impression alot of you are screaming dickhead at me because you like your drugs too much and the music not enough. Thats fine. I'm not asking anyone here to be apart of what I do or anything, but, don't play me for an un-educated fool, because my knowledge wasn't found in a pill and a history lesson from a drug dealer.
I play the music, I make the music. I do neither well, but I'm not so stupid as to not research what I'm doing. I researched the history of dance music due to a liking of the topic. I like the topic because I like the music. And too be honest, its because I like the music that the history doesn't even matter. To me, it sounds good. To me it's my music of choice and I would never have it any other way. I don't have to go to a club to enjoy it, because I don't like going clubbing, especially not how it is now.
I agree, I think you DO need drugs to enjoy it because it's become ****ing ****, but, I'm not going to take drugs to enjoy it, instead I'm going to go out and make it something better than drugs.
You guys have been sucked in by things like M.O.S. .. .. Hook line and sinker.
People like me are just waiting for your honeymoons to end so we can go back to going out with out being pestered by drug dealers. .. Until then we make our own way. If its not clubbing who cares? If its not international success, who cares? If it's not proper 'dance, underground music'... Who cares? Only you guys do.
Agent under cover: I've been banned from so many internet forums for debates like this that, well ****, I'd run you a list if I could remember them all.
Honestly, I get the impression alot of you are screaming dickhead at me because you like your drugs too much and the music not enough. Thats fine. I'm not asking anyone here to be apart of what I do or anything, but, don't play me for an un-educated fool, because my knowledge wasn't found in a pill and a history lesson from a drug dealer.
I play the music, I make the music. I do neither well, but I'm not so stupid as to not research what I'm doing. I researched the history of dance music due to a liking of the topic. I like the topic because I like the music. And too be honest, its because I like the music that the history doesn't even matter. To me, it sounds good. To me it's my music of choice and I would never have it any other way. I don't have to go to a club to enjoy it, because I don't like going clubbing, especially not how it is now.
I agree, I think you DO need drugs to enjoy it because it's become ****ing ****, but, I'm not going to take drugs to enjoy it, instead I'm going to go out and make it something better than drugs.
You guys have been sucked in by things like M.O.S. .. .. Hook line and sinker.
People like me are just waiting for your honeymoons to end so we can go back to going out with out being pestered by drug dealers. .. Until then we make our own way. If its not clubbing who cares? If its not international success, who cares? If it's not proper 'dance, underground music'... Who cares? Only you guys do.
Phil_Dicko
Active Member
hoops, sorry about the swearing. I'm just vulgar
But yeah man. If you find it hard to believe then, I think your into the wrong music. The ancients might have been intoxicated and stuff, but, in time we've established knowledge, alot of it. .. I think if you took a cave man to a rave now he wouldnt need drugs to blow his mind
There is far more recent and learned support for drug-use than the ancients. What knowledge do you speak of? Surely the most important development of 'knowledge' that has taken place since the ancients is the period referred to as the Enlightenment in the 18th and 19th Century?
During this period the philosophy of Liberalism was largely dominant, and while philosophers didn't necessarily explicitly advocate drug use, they advocated greater individual rights and a beleif that individual men could and should think for themselves instead of blindly obeying the Church or tyrannical absolute monarchies.
Unfortunately there seems to have been a major break with this thought in the twentieth and twenty first centuries, we now have authoritarian governments thinking for us while the masses unquestioningly swallow up their coarse, vulgar anti-drug and other propaganda in the daily newspapers. We have a government that ignores the advice of a scientific panel of experts on drugs classification because it thinks it knows better.
I guess what I am arguing is look at the state of society today and the contempt with which government treats us. Look at the lies, wars, expenses and constant scandals. Based on this how can you accept what the government says or what it's ignorant closed-minded servants spout out on the news and in the papers?
It is true that there was a fear of too much liberalism (effectively anarchy) which would include the right of men to murder others, steal, rape etc. But responsible use of drugs which have been shown to be relatively safe (vis-a-vis alcohol) cannot be outlawed under any pretense of 'knowledge', only ignorance.
Essentially; the right to use safe drugs responsibly should be seen as an inherent right of man, if we look at the reasons why it isn't they are hollow and senseless. We should be entrusted to make informed decisions based on the evidence in front of us, and so long as we do not impinge on the rights of others as a result of our drug use (which would not be the case with the use of safe drugs), there would be no problem.
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matt collins
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None of this makes any sense anymore... 
There's gold in this here thread I tells ya...
There's gold in this here thread I tells ya...