ministry of drugs

[Ancient People]

I was trying to ignore your posts like some others do but come on you r pushing it. Your statement about being in it for the music is laughable, I remember it was you who said that n trance set you free is one of the greatest dance tracks ever written. Not to mention you bashing Ibiza based on some you tube vids while never havin been there. Is it your purpose to come and spout crap and cause commotion becos if yes, you need to get a life.

Mr Dicko, I do get it. They would watch the sun rise and unleash all this primal stuff and yeah.

Agent under cover: I've been banned from so many internet forums for debates like this that, well ****, I'd run you a list if I could remember them all.

Honestly, I get the impression alot of you are screaming dickhead at me because you like your drugs too much and the music not enough. Thats fine. I'm not asking anyone here to be apart of what I do or anything, but, don't play me for an un-educated fool, because my knowledge wasn't found in a pill and a history lesson from a drug dealer.

I play the music, I make the music. I do neither well, but I'm not so stupid as to not research what I'm doing. I researched the history of dance music due to a liking of the topic. I like the topic because I like the music. And too be honest, its because I like the music that the history doesn't even matter. To me, it sounds good. To me it's my music of choice and I would never have it any other way. I don't have to go to a club to enjoy it, because I don't like going clubbing, especially not how it is now.

I agree, I think you DO need drugs to enjoy it because it's become ****ing ****, but, I'm not going to take drugs to enjoy it, instead I'm going to go out and make it something better than drugs.

You guys have been sucked in by things like M.O.S. .. .. Hook line and sinker.
People like me are just waiting for your honeymoons to end so we can go back to going out with out being pestered by drug dealers. .. Until then we make our own way. If its not clubbing who cares? If its not international success, who cares? If it's not proper 'dance, underground music'... Who cares? Only you guys do.

 

[NakedAge]

I stand by everything I said. If you play N-Trance to the wider public, compared to some disposable underground, M.O.S. song, I think the wider public would prefer N-Trance - Set You Free. .. I'm not talking clubbers, I mean the public.

As for the gigs looking ****, well, what you guys are telling me here is that I've said they look horrible in those videos,(which, yes, I did say that.) and you're all saying I gotta go to see it (Which is fair enough. I could be missing some element thats not visual or audible), because it's actually fantastic (Apparently), but, only if you're on drugs. Which in essense means, it's probably even worse than what the video denotes, because it looks ****ing retarded and **** to someone whose clean, and everyone who swears by it and enjoys it is telling me I need to be drugs to enjoy it because, its too **** to enjoy with out them.

Hahaha this is actually funny now because now I'm thinking too many of you are just a bunch of honeymooners who are desperate to feel that what they're onto is cutting edge and cool and that you've found some level of higher intelligence and that these drugs you guys take enhance everything and all that and that you NEEEEEEEEEED them so bad, because, imagine you found out you've just been going to **** gigs! hahahahahahaha!

Spiritual shaman bull****. Sorry guys but, I think I'm gonna stick to my arguement.
"anti-drug properganda" .. Guys, drugs kill people, as do cigerettes, as do alchohol. ..
Now, I'm not saying "Don't take drugs because they're bad for your health." ... That I couldn't give a **** about, but its got nothing to do with 'anti-drug properganda'. Its about going to **** parties that are so bad you need to be high to enjoy them. Your enjoying the drugs, not the party. ... Try swallowing that pill guys.

If people wanna use drugs, then yeah let them. So long as they're not harming anyone else let them kill themselves if they want, buttttttttttttttt don't confuse taking drugs with a good party.. Any party can be good if you're on the right pill. .. lol .. Jesus... And the way you guys talk about these clubs and Ibiza and **** when I ask you, I think I'm missing out and that I need to go out more, but, wow.. .. I would so hate to go to these parties, they seriously sound like the most boring excuse for loud music and a light show ever. I'm sorry guys. LOL! You can all call me spastic and stupid and uneducated on this one but it's just so up its ass that I can't care what some of you say because, entertainment is born of creativity. Every occasion is what you make of it, and unfortunately, boring people make for boring parties and conversations and so forth. Don't take drugs man, just get more out of life so you have something to talk about and ****. ... And to be told that from a guy whose, laughed at in his industry of choice and has never travelled or anything, fellas, if I was saying that myself I'd be saying "****... " and having a cry in the mirror hehe I love you guys tho.

 

[hoops]

Dude why cant you actually construct a reply back without swearing. You an idiot of the highest degree.

 

[NakedAge]

Because thats how I talk champ

I'm not here to construct my thoughts in a manner that is un offensive to everyone else if that's not a correct representation of my thoughts.
In my world people swear ALOT. .. Our language is as colourful as our lives.

Thats why don't need drugs at our gigs and walk around screaming **** YEAH

 

[Ancient People]

So why are you here? You're not really open to dialogue. In your world its just you and no one else. It has been a while since I read such narrow minded bigoted drivel online. And I dont say that lightly.

Because thats how I talk champ

I'm not here to construct my thoughts in a manner that is un offensive to everyone else if that's not a correct representation of my thoughts.
In my world people swear ALOT. .. Our language is as colourful as our lives.

Thats why don't need drugs at our gigs and walk around screaming **** YEAH

 

[NakedAge]

So why are you here? You're not really open to dialogue. In your world its just you and no one else. It has been a while since I read such narrow minded bigoted drivel online. And I dont say that lightly.

If anyones being biggotted and narrow minded (of all things, you know considering how drugs make you all so open to new ideas and such) it's you lot.

I've said a thousand times, if you want to take drugs take them, and that I understand how good they can be and I understand the tribal histories and ****.

Thing is, alot of you, yourselves have said "You can't enjoy it if your not on drugs." .. Well I know I can. I've done it many times, I will do it many more and if I'm not enjoying a gig, I just leave, I don't take drugs to enjoy it.

I just think alot of you can't admit that these gigs you 'need' to take drugs to enjoy, could just very well be **** gigs if you can't imagine yourselves enjoying them clean.. I think you'd rather hang **** on the people here saying "look, cleans allright" that admit that the scene you all brag about as the best thing since dance music is actually, crap.

If it wasn't, you wouldn't be saying you 'NEED' drugs to enjoy it.

We have a difference of opinon but don't assume mine is narrow minded just because it's not yours. I'm all open to new ideas and everytime I get into issues like this I pray that it can iron itself out and make me excited about the parties again so I can have something to WANT to be involved with, but everytime its the same old story. Its so boring it makes me want to take drugs, but, I don't like drugs so, I'd rather just do something else like go home and watch an entertaining movie. .. After a while tho you have to ask yourself. "Is this all there is to this ****?" and if the answer is yes, but you feel you still love it, all you can do is try to better it and make something exciting from it.

The WORST thing that will come out of my 'narrow minded' arguement is a gig so good that people will be able to open their minds to possibilities of endless creation and inject it into a thriving new atmosphere where you dont have to feel **** on Sunday or Tuesday to enjoy Saturday. Instead you can wake up with memories of a beautiful night and enjoy it for the rest of your life, how ever frequently or in frequently as you wish with out the risk of consequences, with complete and total freedom.

It makes me sad to think people are so, sad and boring that they can't have a good time with out the aid of a chemical enhancements, but at the same time, its a joke. An embarassing one at that. Call me as narrow minded as you like. I'd rather be narrow minded and at a good party with interesting people than open minded at a **** gig that has to be said to be good to protect to part takers sense of establishment for being there.

 

[Ancient People]

Did anyone here say that you Need drugs to enjoy a party? Did anyone say that people who dont do them are this or that? Did anyone say you cant enjoy music without drugs?Its you who keeps on ranting about how its not good to take drugs, that people use them becos they r not happy, that they vomit all over the place, becos the music will sound better( Like a good roll will turn bad music in good music lol you r clueless). Drugs just give an extra dimension to music thats all if you dont like it, so be it, each to their own. But no, you like always had to keep on going and going like an angry frustrated teenager looking for attention.

Im sure this is not the first time you heard this, you said it yourself you got banned from many forums. Questioning yourself once in a while doesnt do you any harm you know.

If anyones being biggotted and narrow minded (of all things, you know considering how drugs make you all so open to new ideas and such) it's you lot.

I've said a thousand times, if you want to take drugs take them, and that I understand how good they can be and I understand the tribal histories and ****.

Thing is, alot of you, yourselves have said "You can't enjoy it if your not on drugs." .. Well I know I can. I've done it many times, I will do it many more and if I'm not enjoying a gig, I just leave, I don't take drugs to enjoy it.

I just think alot of you can't admit that these gigs you 'need' to take drugs to enjoy, could just very well be **** gigs if you can't imagine yourselves enjoying them clean.. I think you'd rather hang **** on the people here saying "look, cleans allright" that admit that the scene you all brag about as the best thing since dance music is actually, crap.

If it wasn't, you wouldn't be saying you 'NEED' drugs to enjoy it.

We have a difference of opinon but don't assume mine is narrow minded just because it's not yours. I'm all open to new ideas and everytime I get into issues like this I pray that it can iron itself out and make me excited about the parties again so I can have something to WANT to be involved with, but everytime its the same old story. Its so boring it makes me want to take drugs, but, I don't like drugs so, I'd rather just do something else like go home and watch an entertaining movie. .. After a while tho you have to ask yourself. "Is this all there is to this ****?" and if the answer is yes, but you feel you still love it, all you can do is try to better it and make something exciting from it.

The WORST thing that will come out of my 'narrow minded' arguement is a gig so good that people will be able to open their minds to possibilities of endless creation and inject it into a thriving new atmosphere where you dont have to feel **** on Sunday or Tuesday to enjoy Saturday. Instead you can wake up with memories of a beautiful night and enjoy it for the rest of your life, how ever frequently or in frequently as you wish with out the risk of consequences, with complete and total freedom.

It makes me sad to think people are so, sad and boring that they can't have a good time with out the aid of a chemical enhancements, but at the same time, its a joke. An embarassing one at that. Call me as narrow minded as you like. I'd rather be narrow minded and at a good party with interesting people than open minded at a **** gig that has to be said to be good to protect to part takers sense of establishment for being there.

 

[Phil_Dicko]

Spiritual shaman bull****. Sorry guys but, I think I'm gonna stick to my arguement.

Wow! That really surprises me!

Seriously, mate, you just spout exactly the same deluded, close-minded, stubborn nonsense post after post without moving the argument along at all. You say you understand arguments like the "tribal histories", yet show no real attempt to respond directly to those arguments and, if anything, show that you haven't understood the full implications of what's being said at all or followed up people's suggestions for further reading/viewing.... Is it too much effort or are you just too worried an actual engagement with new issues people have raised will make you have doubts about your own expletive laced, mental diarrhea?

As I've said before, I don't really have that much problem with those that chose not to take drugs. There are a number of perfectly good reasons why someone might chose not to. But, people like you, who have a real bee in their bonnet about people that do it and get all self-righteous about their "good clean partying" frustrate me. I can't quite believe that you think that going to "parties" without the aid of ANY chemical enhancement actually shows you to be a less "sad and boring" person.

And, furthermore, I can't believe that your main argument for not taking drugs is that you think that doing so would be some obscure admission that the music at the parties you go to is bad. Which is laughable. Personally, it sounds to me like the confused drivel of a person far too strongly-influenced by the anti-dance music propaganda of my parent's generation, trying desperately to distance themselves from the nonsense observations of 40 and 50 year olds that "no wonder they need drugs to enjoy this horrible, noisy music." Screw their bull... they don't understand it. It's our music, our culture. My question is, do you understand it?

Drugs aren't any kind of insult to the music we listen to, like you're trying to say. They are merely complementary; simply an emotional magnifying glass. Noone is saying you can't have most of those emotions sober. The combination of "pleasures" isn't necessarily any kind of admission that either one of those pleasures can't be enjoyed on its own. That's something you are projecting in there yourself. Again, like my parents, you seem to treat recreational drugs as if they are there to make the music bearable... they're not used as painkillers.

Yes, people are different; some do like the music less so than others, some do enjoy the chemical rush so much that the music can be sidetracked to a degree. That is simply their taste, their own preference for one pleasure over the other. Not an insult... AND most of us love dance music first and foremost. The taking of drugs does NOT prove otherwise. It's just a combination of complementary pleasures.

In the end, I think you need to smoke a joint, chill the hell out and live and let live, NA. Just love dance music and let people enjoy it however and whenever they like.

 

[hauskitten]

I don't understand why people defend drug taking to the extent they do lol like as if its ya vitamins... yes they give a great night however yes you could end up with schizophrenia or depression with regular over-doing it lol

 

[neilly303]

This is turning into some thread!

I tell you what though, I would gladly pay 15 quid for a 1992 quality pill, than a quid for the sh*t that passes for E these days!!

 

[agentundercover]

Naked Age. Mano o Mano. Do you take steriods or any body building suplement? Just a hunch.

 

[agentundercover]

I don't understand why people defend drug taking to the extent they do lol like as if its ya vitamins... yes they give a great night however yes you could end up with schizophrenia or depression with regular over-doing it lol

It's not defending the drug use per se it's defending the ability to, on a forum like this, have a reasoned discussion - putting the media frenzy and self obsessives to one side.

(I mean, have you researched how many people suffer from schizophrenia or depression & it is linked have you compared this to other sources of mental illness - or are you just reading back what you read in the express. And no, knowing someone who has had it happen, that you know, does not count as unbiased evidence.)

NA - you boast about being banned from a long list of forums...does the penny not EVER drop?!

 

[hauskitten]

Every single person I know who takes drugs has got issues lol including myself hence why I calmed it down a lot... hence why everyone eventually calms down lol plus I'm a psychology student that may answer your question on whether I do my research 8)

 

[Phil_Dicko]

Every single person I know who takes drugs has got issues lol including myself hence why I calmed it down a lot... hence why everyone eventually calms down lol plus I'm a psychology student that may answer your question on whether I do my research 8)

But that's the point though, isn't it? It's all about how much you take. Some people just can't help becoming a complete mess and end up needing to "calm down", others appreciate that this stuff has long term concequences and exercise a bit of self-control. In that respect it's no different to alcohol.

 

[hauskitten]

But that's the point though, isn't it? It's all about how much you take. Some people just can't help becoming a complete mess and end up needing to "calm down", others appreciate that this stuff has long term concequences and exercise a bit of self-control. In that respect it's no different to alcohol.

Well ........ the difference between ONE fat line of ket and ONE blue WKD is quite large lmao

 

[neilly303]

Well ........ the difference between ONE fat line of ket and ONE blue WKD is quite large lmao

i hate the sound of that ket - that's one thing i would NEVER touch. I've seen people mong out in clubs and piss themselves because they dont know who they are or what they are doing -

whats the point?

 

[Phil_Dicko]

Well ........ the difference between ONE fat line of ket and ONE blue WKD is quite large lmao

True...but I wasn't necessarily comparing the impact of one line of ket to one blue WKD. These things are relative. In either case, it's about stopping before you become a blubbering mess and giving your body a chance to recover before you daddle again in the future. The fact that it'll take you more of those blue WKDs to get messy is not really the issue.

And if one "fat" line of ket is all it takes to turn you into a mess, then might I suggest a slightly less fat line of ket to begin with... Pace yourself.

 

[hauskitten]

i hate the sound of that ket - that's one thing i would NEVER touch. I've seen people mong out in clubs and piss themselves because they dont know who they are or what they are doing -

whats the point?

Thats because some silly plebs take much more than they can handle because they want to be the mad head of the gang but it all goes horribly wrong lol if handled with TLC k can be amazingly strange or strangely amazing

 

[coley]

My Guess is that:

Depression and schizophrenia are usually caused by childhood trauma (scalable). The trouble with drugs like these is that over time they often unlock the neurological path ways and access the untapped nasty stuff (paleo-mammalian part of the brain) which probably enhances the split in personality and accelerates the internalised learned pattern of self loathing that was put there by adult figures way back when. (I'm just making this up...well...sort of))


Subjects with a robust psychological make up ( ie nothing from childhood that causes mental conflicts) can take Class A drugs without reaping any dire consequences. They just access all the fluffy stuff in a random euphoric way.

 

[hauskitten]

True...but I wasn't necessarily comparing the impact of one line of ket to one blue WKD. These things are relative. In either case, it's about stopping before you become a blubbering mess and giving your body a chance to recover before you daddle again in the future. Just because it'll take you more of those blue WKDs to get messy is not really the issue.

And if one "fat" line of ket is all it takes to turn you into a mess, then might I suggest a slightly less fat line of ket to begin with... Pace yourself.

You've obviously never done a 'fat' line of ket if it didn't turn you into a mess lmao...

plus I haven't said I've ever been a mess in that way... if you want me to be precise it's the 2 day after feeling when your brains serotonin has dropped to a scientifically proven level of feeling crap! I don't care anyway I only made a statement I'm not telling everyone don't do it I just find it weird the way SOME people defend it to the level of if you don't want to do it then your a boring sad bastid lol