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BEEFA1 said:
Your more safer drinking a pint of beer than taking pill. Least you know whats in it
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This simply means that most illegal drugs should be legalised so that people know what's in them too.

There is no scientific argument that alcohol is safer than unadulterated MDMA, in the short term or the long term, in fact quite the contrary. It was shown during the Leah Betts case, that much of the anti-drugs message was peddled by the drinks industry, fearful of losing out if people found other ways to get their high.

This is a decent article, the purity of E is way up on previous years, making it more likely you'll accidentally OD.
 
BEEFA1 said:
So your saying they are both as bad as each other??

Shes dead. Im not. I stuck to alcohol. She done drugs. Im alive. Shes dead. Point proven
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a) we don't know how she died.

b) we don't know her health or any underlying medical conditions.

c) we don't what she took

d) we don't know how much she took (or over what period of time)

e) we don't know how she behaved after she took what she took

If I went out tonight and downed several btls of spirits I could feasibly die... what is the point you are trying to make?! You're dancing all over the shop. Much like - quelle surprise - our wonderful tabloid press.
 
To be fair 1 pill is probably worse than 1 pint, I wouldnt have a pill at lunchtime with my work mates for example!

But most of what you are saying BEEFA1 is wrong, just because its legal doesnt mean its safe, you not see all the drink aware adverts on cans and bottles, and on every alcohol advert on tv? Its because it is a dangerous drug, its very easy to get hooked, and is very bad for your health over a period of time.

E on the other hand, has been proven as a safe drug, yes people have died taking it (or as a result of taking it, Leah Betts etc) but people also die eating peanuts, when you look at the actual figures of drug related deaths, alcohol comes tops, yep higher than heroine and crack!
 
ibizainside said:
To be fair 1 pill is probably worse than 1 pint, I wouldnt have a pill at lunchtime with my work mates for example!
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Yes, this is true. But I'd argue this is because of social etiquette as opposed to any reason relating to health.

... that said, long-term I'd probably agree that a pill day is worse than a pint of lager a day.

Comparison is hard, of course. Since you clearly consume a higher volume of drink than you ever would a substance like MDMA, and a great deal of MDMA users will use with alcohol.
 
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ibizainside said:
To be fair 1 pill is probably worse than 1 pint, I wouldnt have a pill at lunchtime with my work mates for example!
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Well this is purely down to dosage though isn't it? Unless you meant a pint of vodka, in which case I'd take issue with you ;-)
 
We do know several e she took. Why would tthe press report it as anything else!? That would be false advertising

My point is alcohol would be much safer than taking an E

My points

1. You dont feel paranoid off one pint
2. You dont gurn
3. Your heart rate doesnt zoom
4. You can eat
5. You know your getting beer. Instead of mashed up shit in a tab.

Personal points of course. I dont know why you need to take drugs when alcohol can make u mashed anyway . Plus your on holiday what more of a buzz could u want !
 
If you take anything from this exchange I hope it's that you broaden your horizons a little.

That's not to be interpreted as me encouraging you to take controlled substances. Or even to abandon your current drug of choice.

I purely mean to consider the evidence presented, and take a view from a different perspective of your own.
 
By the way, instead of listing the things alcohol doesn't make you feel, much better to list the things that it does :idea:
 
If you're refer to beer/cider, I am not a huge fan. Though I will occasionally enjoy a fruit cider in a pub garden. Normally around June-July time (until the weather turns).

Mostly I prefer wine. Red (Malbec from the Mendoza region in Argentina, specifically)

I do like San Miguel whilst in Ibiza. (Bottled, not draft) I also have a soft spot for Sangria - jugs thereof, to share with the missus.

Do I think I'll still be using MDMA when I'm 40? Well, yes. Since it's only 10 years away I'm quite certain that I will. Although hopefully ill have started a family by then, so my usage will be far reduced compared to today's standards (which, coincidentally, is far less than it was 2 years ago)

Other substances though, I suspect I will drop. Could be argued that I already have.(tobacco - and its associated contents - will be clean a full year in Dec)

But the drug I'd like to kick to the most? Easy: caffeine.

Once I can do without that drug, I'll be a happy man.
 
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You can think that its sad all you wish. That is your prerogative. Just remember though, just because our government is happy to line their pockets through your drug habits, doesn't mean they are any better for you.
 
BEEFA1 said:
We do know several e she took. Why would tthe press report it as anything else!? That would be false advertising
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Wow. I hope that one day you read back these messages and realise what a complete heartless and crass fanny you sound like. Your overall argument on this has been extremely poor. You drink alcohol, you're alive, she takes drugs and is dead was definitely your most moronic post to date. If only things were this black and white, eh?

Would you like a hand down off your high horse?
 
Apologies to Beefa1, but I honestly thought you were taking the piss and people were biting. Sadly after reading all your posts you aren't. Not sure how old you are but I can't believe someone into this particular lifestyle can have such ignorant and uneducated views.

Look each to there own, I know people who have taken drugs on a regular basis recreationally over the last 30 years and people who have stuck to alcohol. To be honest the most genuine, interesting and open minded people are those that haven't focused on alcohol. Most of these people are also highly motivated in very well paid jobs. Read into that what you want.

Do you know more people get trampled to death by cows in a field each year than die from MDMA? Thousands of people also die each year when they have an allergic reaction to paracetamol.

Nearly 100,000 people die each year due to alcohol or alcohol related illness.

Let people do what they want, but take necessary precautions and don't abuse it. That goes for drugs and alcohol.
 
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