gutsy
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Unfortunately for me I still read the sun
(not that I believe all the crap they print ) so I'm still down with all the showbiz news , anyway the guy was a singer on X factor for your reference dirk.
Moondust
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I think its a pretty damn certainty that Alcohol has caused more death and damage universally than all the illegal substances put together. Alcohol is a worldwide day in day out money generator and the best bit is its legal hence its no where near as frowned upon as something "illegal". I like a drink i like the "other" and i feel for anyone who has suffered or worse at the hands of either. The "no sympathy" comment approach im afraid is bollocks and not really someone telling the truth. Im sure "sympathy" would be there in the bucket load if it was one of their own.
Moondust
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I would say he was "on" x faxtor gutsy as opposed to sang. ( i also get forced )
soha
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Some good points but a lot of poor arguments on both sides.
Comparing 1 pint to 1 pill is silly, 1 cigarette won't kill you therefore smoking must be safe right?
I agree alcohol is a dangerous drug, destroys and kills lives, but how would extacy fair up if the same amount of people took it as did alcohol?? Who knows.
Also I question the whole government making too much money from alcohol tax argument, I work in the NHS and I think people do not realise how much money is spent on treating alcohol related conditions (and smoking related for that matter). I would easily say the amount of money spent in the NHS (alcohol related) would come very close to canceling out that made on tax.
My personal opinion is that I although I enjoy E and alcohol, id say extacy is more dangerous, but on the other hand if I hand to say which one has potentially caused more damage to my body in my lifetime I'd say alcohol. Mainly because I only take E 2 3 times a year.
Comparing 1 pint to 1 pill is silly, 1 cigarette won't kill you therefore smoking must be safe right?
I agree alcohol is a dangerous drug, destroys and kills lives, but how would extacy fair up if the same amount of people took it as did alcohol?? Who knows.
Also I question the whole government making too much money from alcohol tax argument, I work in the NHS and I think people do not realise how much money is spent on treating alcohol related conditions (and smoking related for that matter). I would easily say the amount of money spent in the NHS (alcohol related) would come very close to canceling out that made on tax.
My personal opinion is that I although I enjoy E and alcohol, id say extacy is more dangerous, but on the other hand if I hand to say which one has potentially caused more damage to my body in my lifetime I'd say alcohol. Mainly because I only take E 2 3 times a year.
Yes, it was a very silly comparison, admittedly. At the point I was being dragged down to his level. He succeeded in doing that. I did back track in later posts.
The main point I was trying to make when I wrote that was that: I (reckoned I would) feel better the morning after having taken 7 pills the night before; as opposed to the morning after 7 pints the night before. I was trying to underline that personal experience does really come into it, in the wider scope of things. Which is why I followed-up with:
MauroPicotto
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BEEFA1 is probably just dropping his kids off at private school before popping into his local Costa for a large latte with skinny milk...
Nostalgic
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Far from it. On a Building site, working classBEEFA1 is probably just dropping his kids off at private school before popping into his local Costa for a large latte with skinny milk...
Shock, horror, the reality behind this poor girl's death might be different than the heeadlines
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-claims-her-death-was-caused-by-10515585.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-claims-her-death-was-caused-by-10515585.html
Well, well, well... who'd have thunk it, eh. Still, none the less tragic. My thoughts go out to her family at this time.
MauroPicotto
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Newspaper in sensationalism shock. Echo above, thoughts go out to the family & friends. Nobody deserves to die at that age.
Myron Gaines
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So what caused it then?
Pablo Montez Junior
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booze/drugs/kitkats/whatever
1. Do your homework
2. Have the right mates
3. Don't be a dick
1. Do your homework
2. Have the right mates
3. Don't be a dick
kimajy
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I'm still trying to stop laughing at the "dad's a raging baghead" exchange. Comedy gold. 
To be fair, though, drug-related denials in newspapers are no more or less credible than headline stories. Michaela Connolly and the 'forced at gunpoint to smuggle drugs' fiasco springs to mind ! The stories are usually printed in response to a tabloid reporter getting near "friends" and asking some leading questions, but could of course be completely made up. Point was, though, if she'd indeed popped and collapsed the likely cause is still the bad pill. If she didn't pop and collapse it's very unlikely drugs were involved. I think the Can Mises tox screen report example cited above says it all, though. An E is never just an E and a bag of MD is never just a bag of MD.
The load of utter sh!t which gets mixed in with street drugs (latest cocaine-skin-rot fiasco springs to mind) still has me feeling that for so long as there's no controlled and regulated manufacturing process ensuring what you buy is what you get (and for that you need to get rid of the illegality), it's going to be a game of Russian Roulette, especially hazardous for inexperienced kids. Also find the whole "scoring hasstle" and real long-term consequences of drug-related run-ins with authorities resulting from prohibition vastly disproportionate to both the health risks & potential pleasures to be derived and tbh just not worth the potential aggravation. But in the end there is far too much State interference with adult choices and none of it has a proportionate positive effect.
All that said, booze in very large quantities is still one of the nastiest things I've ever come across, both in terms of what it turns you into and the 'aftermath', and I drink less and less as I get older. I'd also still rather share a club dancefloor with a bunch of pill or speed-heads than a crowd of drunks, (just wish the coke and ket would disappear from the scene as I really do find neither have a positive effect on the general mood of a night out).
To be fair, though, drug-related denials in newspapers are no more or less credible than headline stories. Michaela Connolly and the 'forced at gunpoint to smuggle drugs' fiasco springs to mind ! The stories are usually printed in response to a tabloid reporter getting near "friends" and asking some leading questions, but could of course be completely made up. Point was, though, if she'd indeed popped and collapsed the likely cause is still the bad pill. If she didn't pop and collapse it's very unlikely drugs were involved. I think the Can Mises tox screen report example cited above says it all, though. An E is never just an E and a bag of MD is never just a bag of MD.
The load of utter sh!t which gets mixed in with street drugs (latest cocaine-skin-rot fiasco springs to mind) still has me feeling that for so long as there's no controlled and regulated manufacturing process ensuring what you buy is what you get (and for that you need to get rid of the illegality), it's going to be a game of Russian Roulette, especially hazardous for inexperienced kids. Also find the whole "scoring hasstle" and real long-term consequences of drug-related run-ins with authorities resulting from prohibition vastly disproportionate to both the health risks & potential pleasures to be derived and tbh just not worth the potential aggravation. But in the end there is far too much State interference with adult choices and none of it has a proportionate positive effect.
All that said, booze in very large quantities is still one of the nastiest things I've ever come across, both in terms of what it turns you into and the 'aftermath', and I drink less and less as I get older. I'd also still rather share a club dancefloor with a bunch of pill or speed-heads than a crowd of drunks, (just wish the coke and ket would disappear from the scene as I really do find neither have a positive effect on the general mood of a night out).
Pablo Montez Junior
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Everyone slags off cocaine (and everyone does it)
Pablo Montez Junior
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As for E, i have mixed feelings these days. It's still a lot of fun on the right weekend with the right crew, but if you've actually got stuff to do, scary real world shit like meeting your girlfriend's parents for a roast, or putting flooring down, your motivation goes out the window.
kimajy
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That's the thing, though - I reckon a lot of ppl do coke because they feel it helps them still do what they have to do - and in the end, that's also what makes it spill well outside the party and become a habit - one which basically doesn't do them any favours as people to be around. Can turn perfectly decent people into utter self-opinionated City Bankers !
The demotivating aspect of E probably helps keep it firmly for party use only and demands it isn't used excessively. It's the very moderation which keeps things special and demands everything else be set aside for the duration.
I reckon spontaneous or regular parties are best handled without any drugs at all, and if you do want to indulge, keep it more occasional and to the "nicer" stuff with enough time set aside without real life demands to get over it properly. Too much of anything is a bad thing. I personally can't hack any major drop in serotonin, just leads to onset of manic depression, so I steer clear of MDMA - aftermath isn't in any way a price I'm personally willing to pay for a few hours of euphoria !
The demotivating aspect of E probably helps keep it firmly for party use only and demands it isn't used excessively. It's the very moderation which keeps things special and demands everything else be set aside for the duration.
I reckon spontaneous or regular parties are best handled without any drugs at all, and if you do want to indulge, keep it more occasional and to the "nicer" stuff with enough time set aside without real life demands to get over it properly. Too much of anything is a bad thing. I personally can't hack any major drop in serotonin, just leads to onset of manic depression, so I steer clear of MDMA - aftermath isn't in any way a price I'm personally willing to pay for a few hours of euphoria !