im gonna vote for...........

You cant fix the problems in the NHS until the lists are down to managble sizes. Pumping more and more money into a black hole isnt going to solve anything. At least the Cons are coming up with other ideas. If every problem the country faced was as easy as just rasing National Insurance(again) and chucking another £100 mil at it I could run the country!

Labour need new ideas. How about re branding the party New New Labour That should work for a 8 years.
 
If you can afford £1000 for an operation, you should think about paying £30 a month for BUPA cover anyway - but's that's getting away from the point.

The tory tactic is a "reactive" way of dealing with the issues in the NHS.

What are they going to do to improve the NHS considering they are opposed to the PFI route and they say they won't raise taxes to fund the public services. At least with Labour I'm prepared for the tax hikes because it's no sectret that the funding coming from that rather than Micheal Howard's magic purse.

Forget the occasional horror stories / compensation culture claims.
Really, and I mean REALLY the NHS is the best it has been for decades. and all of the new hospitals that have been built / planned to be built with only make this better.

My mother has been a frontline staff nurse for 35 years, she voting Labour. She knows.
 
Lost Pom said:
You cant fix the problems in the NHS until the lists are down to managble sizes. Pumping more and more money into a black hole isnt going to solve anything. At least the Cons are coming up with other ideas. If every problem the country faced was as easy as just rasing National Insurance(again) and chucking another £100 mil at it I could run the country!

Labour need new ideas. How about re branding the party New New Labour That should work for a 8 years.
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£100 million?? that's how much one hospital costs to build.

I don't think you know what you're on about with respect.
 
My sister has been a nurse for about 15 years and she will vote for the cons. It doesnt mean anything.

I wouldnt pay £30 a month for BUPA because I cant afford it. I would though take a loan out to fund an op if the waiting list is to long.

You say you are prepared for the Labour tax rise but when are they going to tell us about them?
 
Lost Pom said:
You say you are prepared for the Labour tax rise but when are they going to tell us about them?
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when they find out they need more cash to sustain the "investment".

this lot arent exactly the most proactive.
 
Sorry MarkB. I can only apologise for putting a figure down. How about £10000000million is that more like it because im sure you know about as much as me when it comes to how much it would take to cut waiting lists and make sure people are not coming oput of hospital with MRSA!

While we are at it why dont we add a few more quid to that total if it makes your sums add up!
 
MARKB said:
I don't mind paying extra tax and NI if the public services improve.


Through the PFI scheme (which the tories opposed ) there are hundreds of new schools, , hospitals not to mention fire stations and sure start centres etc.

Labour's New Deal makes a hell of a difference to job seekers.

I pay more tax now and the labour government supports a european directive which will cause my business lots of problems, but the country as a whole, I believe, will be a better place because of Labour.

On the otherside I hope the margin they win by (assuming they win) will be hugely reduced as Labour do not have a decent opposition and that is not a healthy situation for a democracy to be in.

55% OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS IN MY AREA VOTE - 45% DO NOT! That's the scariest thing.

I don't agree with Chewie, but I respect his opinions and his passion about politics.

Whoever you vote for, at least vote.

MarkB (Labour candidate for Wibble)
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What he said!

On the bolded bit - it appears I have been denied my democratic say because I refused to pay any more council tax until I was refunded the £2K council tax wrongly taken from my bank account. (They deducted £2K in one hit using the details from when I lived there, simply because my tenant who was registered to pay stopped paying.)

I can confirm that if you don't want to pay council tax (in my borough anyway) just stop. The dispute has been going on for two years now and bugger all has happened - not even a single reply to my letters.
 
Buckley said:
What he said!

On the bolded bit - it appears I have been denied my democratic say because I refused to pay any more council tax until I was refunded the £2K council tax wrongly taken from my bank account. (They deducted £2K in one hit using the details from when I lived there, simply because my tenant who was registered to pay stopped paying.)

I can confirm that if you don't want to pay council tax (in my borough anyway) just stop. The dispute has been going on for two years now and bugger all has happened - not even a single reply to my letters.
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go down there in person. or speak to yr MP.
 
chewie_oo7 said:
Buckley said:
What he said!

On the bolded bit - it appears I have been denied my democratic say because I refused to pay any more council tax until I was refunded the £2K council tax wrongly taken from my bank account. (They deducted £2K in one hit using the details from when I lived there, simply because my tenant who was registered to pay stopped paying.)

I can confirm that if you don't want to pay council tax (in my borough anyway) just stop. The dispute has been going on for two years now and bugger all has happened - not even a single reply to my letters.
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go down there in person. or speak to yr MP.
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I like to pay what I should Chewster but I'll be buggered if I've got the time, or inclination, to go and do that.
 
Well I wont be voting, as I can't.

My voting card is back home in Cardiff and im up here in Notts.

Not that im bothered or anything - not been paying too much attention to it all. :?
 
Morbyd, u seem to forget that when Russia went thorugh the transition from communism to a market economy that those with political influence and those close to the leaders of the country were able to exert this power and buy Russia's natural resources (eg oil) at artifically low prices and then punt it in the West where the price was much higher.

they were able to acquire assets worth billions but only paid a paltry sum for them, they also began asset stripping as well. they ripped the russian people off. its not even as if they kept the money in the country, they transferred to foreign bank accounts and did not invest in their own country. they (eg ure Ambramovich types) also received a nice top on their bank accounts when the Russian govt transferred the IMF loan meant for the 1998 currency crisis to their offshore bank accounts. thats what i would call corrupt.
 
Marts said:
Morbyd, u seem to forget that when Russia went thorugh the transition from communism to a market economy that those with political influence and those close to the leaders of the country were able to exert this power and buy Russia's natural resources (eg oil) at artifically low prices and then punt it in the West where the price was much higher.

they were able to acquire assets worth billions but only paid a paltry sum for them, they also began asset stripping as well. they ripped the russian people off. its not even as if they kept the money in the country, they transferred to foreign bank accounts and did not invest in their own country. they (eg ure Ambramovich types) also received a nice top on their bank accounts when the Russian govt transferred the IMF loan meant for the 1998 currency crisis to their offshore bank accounts. thats what i would call corrupt.
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good and factual, just the sort of post i like...
 
I didn't vote because none of the parties 'deserved' my vote- quite simply, they didn't earn it! After all, if the best Labour could come up with is 'Don't vote Liberal because the Tories might get in, the Tories came up with errrr...what precisely? and the Liberals drugs policy is just b0ll0cks. Hmmm....I'll vote when I'm happy that it's going to a good cause.
 
chewie_oo7 said:
kes said:
Conservatives believe that people who have to go to bupa should have half their bill paid by the state. This would result in 2 billion pounds not being spent on those that can't afford the treament whatsoever in anyway shape or form period fullstop ever... are you getting it yet?????
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i think you'll find this policy my right honorable friend is designed so that if you can get treatment at a private hospital quicker than at a NHS one.


" will have access to treatment at any independent hospital which can perform their operation for NHS prices and to NHS standards.

Private patients have paid their taxes like everyone else. If they choose to go private and free up NHS space for other patients, they should not be punished, but helped. If an independent hospital charges more for an operation than the NHS, patients will be entitled to 50 per cent of the NHS cost as a contribution towards their bill."

its means a use of ALL resources available and doesnt affect the "poor" at all. means number 51 in the waiting list jumps up a place cos number 50 has paid in part to have their op done in order not to die.

i call it common sense.
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doesn't matter now but it would require 2billion to fund the bupa lot. That 2 billion would come from funding for NHS operations meaning 2billion less for NHS operations. Micheal Howard admitted it himself... without admitting it of course. Did you not see the interview?
 
luckily i have private health care with work and used it 2yrs ago when i got my torn cruciate ligament rebuilt!!!

was like being in a hotel...and from going seeing the doc to getting it done....took 16 days!!!!!

never go nhs again!!!!! unless i didnt have a say....eg got hit by a bus...or sommat!!!
 
kes said:
doesn't matter now but it would require 2billion to fund the bupa lot. That 2 billion would come from funding for NHS operations meaning 2billion less for NHS operations. Micheal Howard admitted it himself... without admitting it of course. Did you not see the interview?
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but the £2 billion u refer to will be used to fund ops quicker but privately for who otherwise would have used the NHS anyway. (for which we are ALL entitled to).

so i really dont see where your coming from because no money will be lost to the NHS at all.

unless your saying if people who have got the money (be it rich or poor background) to part fund treatment quicker are not entitled to NHS treatment because if they can afford 50% they can pay for the rest of it.
 
chewie_oo7 said:
but the £2 billion u refer to will be used to fund ops quicker but privately for who otherwise would have used the NHS anyway. (for which we are ALL entitled to).

so i really dont see where your coming from because no money will be lost to the NHS at all.

unless your saying if people who have got the money (be it rich or poor background) to part fund treatment quicker are not entitled to NHS treatment because if they can afford 50% they can pay for the rest of it.
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the thing with this is how does one calculate what an operation on the NHS will cost? sure, you can calculate surgeon time & anaethatist time but the nurses are there and paid for anyway as is the bed etc.

when i paid for my private op, only part of the cost was for the surgeon.
 
stuie said:
the thing with this is how does one calculate what an operation on the NHS will cost? sure, you can calculate surgeon time & anaethatist time but the nurses are there and paid for anyway as is the bed etc.

when i paid for my private op, only part of the cost was for the surgeon.
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id imagine total cost no?
 
chewie_oo7 said:
id imagine total cost no?
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yes, but what i'm saying is i think it would be impossible to calculate TOTAL cost to NHS.

it doesn't matter now anyhoo as it's not gonna happen for at least 4 years! :lol:
 
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