*** Ibiza 2017 observations ***

diver said:
Neither, its this
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No one said anything about it being big...

el_loco said:
related to this: does anybody still go to sonar? what are the numbers? lineup has become pretentious and so much less appealing than the off sonar events.
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According to the article "Sónar itself continues to grow: 123,000 people turned up this year".

I also wouldn't say it's less appealing than off sonar, but it is too expensive for what it is.
when they had top live acts like Kraftwerk, Chemical brothers, etc... I could justify the cost, but when it's just DJ's, and short 1.5-2 hours sets...
 
I lived and work in Ibiza from 2002-2007 then work and travel around the world for 4 years before returning on the island in April 2011 . Couldn't believe how much pricing of everything as rise in just a few years ( I'm not talking about tickets price in club as I was going for free ) I decided to leave the island end of summer 2012 because I was tired of putting almost all my monthly salary to rent a small flat and also because I couldn't see how am I going to survive in the winter with the small amount I saved in the summer ( even if I had a part time job open for me during the winter )
I moved to Barcelona in autumn 2012 , and only in 4-5 years exactly the same is happening here . Rent a flat as increase between 30-40% in only a few years , going out is also more expensive...

I was in sonar and off sonar and what I can say is that it was overpriced. But less people , in my opinion no , almost everything were sold out in advance ( talking about more or less the same party as Ibiza )

The 2 biggest venue for the off are :
Poble español ( which have 3 outdoor venue and 3 clubs) and the forum for festival event like solomun ... those places were packed...

But I can see ( already for a few years that people are getting tired of paying so much )
The average price for a party with international dj were between 30-70€
A beer :6,7€
spirit : 12-14€
To rent a tourist flat or stay in hotels are also expensive
So barcelona is getting almost as expensive as Ibiza , people in the first place used to come to enjoy the party , the sun , beach... for a reasonable price but it's not the case anymore ...

What I noticed also is that less and less Spanish people are coming to the party because they can't afford anymore paying this pricing. I knows many local that have a salary of 1000€ a month , so imagine , all in all . Ibiza and Barcelona have to do something because one day they will cry .
I still come often to the island , sleep in friends house and go out with them , and I saw also that less and less Spanish are going out , maybe in a few years others country will follow , Ibiza and Barcelona don't have to forgot that if the resident and normal people that like to enjoy themselves listening to great music don't come anymore , the dance floor will be dead and without a good dance floor full of people enjoying themselves not sure the VIP will still coming ...
 
greg1183 said:
I lived and work in Ibiza from 2002-2007 then work and travel around the world for 4 years before returning on the island in April 2011 . Couldn't believe how much pricing of everything as rise in just a few years ( I'm not talking about tickets price in club as I was going for free ) I decided to leave the island end of summer 2012 because I was tired of putting almost all my monthly salary to rent a small flat and also because I couldn't see how am I going to survive in the winter with the small amount I saved in the summer ( even if I had a part time job open for me during the winter )
I moved to Barcelona in autumn 2012 , and only in 4-5 years exactly the same is happening here . Rent a flat as increase between 30-40% in only a few years , going out is also more expensive...

I was in sonar and off sonar and what I can say is that it was overpriced. But less people , in my opinion no , almost everything were sold out in advance ( talking about more or less the same party as Ibiza )

The 2 biggest venue for the off are :
Poble español ( which have 3 outdoor venue and 3 clubs) and the forum for festival event like solomun ... those places were packed...

But I can see ( already for a few years that people are getting tired of paying so much )
The average price for a party with international dj were between 30-70€
A beer :6,7€
spirit : 12-14€
To rent a tourist flat or stay in hotels are also expensive
So barcelona is getting almost as expensive as Ibiza , people in the first place used to come to enjoy the party , the sun , beach... for a reasonable price but it's not the case anymore ...

What I noticed also is that less and less Spanish people are coming to the party because they can't afford anymore paying this pricing. I knows many local that have a salary of 1000€ a month , so imagine , all in all . Ibiza and Barcelona have to do something because one day they will cry .
I still come often to the island , sleep in friends house and go out with them , and I saw also that less and less Spanish are going out , maybe in a few years others country will follow , Ibiza and Barcelona don't have to forgot that if the resident and normal people that like to enjoy themselves listening to great music don't come anymore , the dance floor will be dead and without a good dance floor full of people enjoying themselves not sure the VIP will still coming ...
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good post - all very true
 
greg1183 said:
I lived and work in Ibiza from 2002-2007 then work and travel around the world for 4 years before returning on the island in April 2011 . Couldn't believe how much pricing of everything as rise in just a few years ( I'm not talking about tickets price in club as I was going for free ) I decided to leave the island end of summer 2012 because I was tired of putting almost all my monthly salary to rent a small flat and also because I couldn't see how am I going to survive in the winter with the small amount I saved in the summer ( even if I had a part time job open for me during the winter )
I moved to Barcelona in autumn 2012 , and only in 4-5 years exactly the same is happening here . Rent a flat as increase between 30-40% in only a few years , going out is also more expensive...

I was in sonar and off sonar and what I can say is that it was overpriced. But less people , in my opinion no , almost everything were sold out in advance ( talking about more or less the same party as Ibiza )

The 2 biggest venue for the off are :
Poble español ( which have 3 outdoor venue and 3 clubs) and the forum for festival event like solomun ... those places were packed...

But I can see ( already for a few years that people are getting tired of paying so much )
The average price for a party with international dj were between 30-70€
A beer :6,7€
spirit : 12-14€
To rent a tourist flat or stay in hotels are also expensive
So barcelona is getting almost as expensive as Ibiza , people in the first place used to come to enjoy the party , the sun , beach... for a reasonable price but it's not the case anymore ...

What I noticed also is that less and less Spanish people are coming to the party because they can't afford anymore paying this pricing. I knows many local that have a salary of 1000€ a month , so imagine , all in all . Ibiza and Barcelona have to do something because one day they will cry .
I still come often to the island , sleep in friends house and go out with them , and I saw also that less and less Spanish are going out , maybe in a few years others country will follow , Ibiza and Barcelona don't have to forgot that if the resident and normal people that like to enjoy themselves listening to great music don't come anymore , the dance floor will be dead and without a good dance floor full of people enjoying themselves not sure the VIP will still coming ...
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YEAH BUT THEY PUT A DJ IN THE TOILET
 
Just booked to go back on the 24th July so if I end up at Hi I will see what I can do....

Mind blowing this loo
 
Life of Rye said:
Mind blowing this loo
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personally I don't get what's so mindblowing about this loo. it's a joke and yeah, funny the first time you do it. but after the second and third time it's nothing special anymore and I personally don't really like the idea of dancing a meter away from someone that's just dumping a load. don't get me wrong, it's certainly got the wow factor at first, but really it's not a place I'd spend an hour or so.
 
stivi said:
personally I don't get what's so mindblowing about this loo. it's a joke and yeah, funny the first time you do it. but after the second and third time it's nothing special anymore and I personally don't really like the idea of dancing a meter away from someone that's just dumping a load. don't get me wrong, it's certainly got the wow factor at first, but really it's not a place I'd spend an hour or so.
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yeah, it's still basically a toilet. and people are pushing past to have a slash/dump/wash their hands. the whole thing is a gimmick to pull people in. I've seen it in other clubs when they have temporary booths, having one built in seems like it would get very old pretty quickly.
 
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