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http://www.galenfrysinger.com/amish_quilt_auction_bonduel_Sept_2005.htm
"... and may the lord strike down the infidels who defile its holy name!"
http://www.galenfrysinger.com/amish_quilt_auction_bonduel_Sept_2005.htm
"... and may the lord strike down the infidels who defile its holy name!"
either you've left that beard grow too long doc or you're trawling thru amish websites. thinking of a conversion?? it'd be cool i reckon, they ride around in horse driven carts and witness murders in train stations and stuff.
because of this fact many of the billions of pacha-franchises
don´t work
exacto!
Morbyd
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Kind of like Anfield, eh Grego?
Kind of like Anfield, eh Grego?
kinda but not as extreme as anfield cos the fans will be the same, the principles of the club, etc, etc in a new stadium.
a new pacha will, whether it likes it or not, lose some of the crowd and principles, etc of what has made it successful.
Why?
because i don't believe you can create another pacha ibiza (even 100 yards away), look at the franchises and moreover, i'm not sure the urgells would want to create an exact replica.
the €8 million profit from the deal wouldn't go that far in creating a club even half as spectacular as the current pacha. therefore, why move unless you wanna change it.
The Urgells have little or nothing to do with the running of the various Pacha franchises, apart from Sitges obviously.
I'm fairly sure Pacha have the resources to create a Pacha skyscraper if they wanted.
As for the ability to create something else as good or better than what they've got, why not? They've done it before.
I don't see why they'd necessarily lose their crowd. They might lose people, they might get better people.
As for their principles, some might argue they never had many in the first place.
You seem very resistant to change grego. Dc10, Space, Anfield, Pacha - to you they were all better "back in the day".
The Urgells have little or nothing to do with the running of the various Pacha franchises, apart from Sitges obviously.
I'm fairly sure Pacha have the resources to create a Pacha skyscraper if they wanted.
As for the ability to create something else as good or better than what they've got, why not? They've done it before.
I don't see why they'd necessarily lose their crowd. They might lose people, they might get better people.
As for their principles, some might argue they never had many in the first place.
You seem very resistant to change grego. Dc10, Space, Anfield, Pacha - to you they were all better "back in the day".
i know i was just making the point that pacha replicas don't work. the lack of policing/control of what pacha franchises represent tho, which the urgells will preside over, does worry me.
crowd/people, i mean the same thing. i have no doubt that any new pacha will be successful and busy and have a crowd but it's whether it will appeal to me, as a pachalover, whether it will represent what pacha ibiza is. it's all about whether the heartbeat of the club can continue beating, i feel a change of venue may constitute a sever too deep for the new pacha to be pacha in anything other than name.
back in the day 99-01 is better personally cos i know it more intimately than recent years, of course it doesn't make it actually better, only than for me.
with dc10 - i feel it's jsut different from what i liked about it.
space - the club has lost things forever by expanding/redeveloping but of course it has gained a great many things also. it can only ever be subjective as to whether the positives outweight the negative. i still think space is a spectacular clubbing experience. the heartbeat is still there.
anfield - having seen some plans this week as to the what the new stadium will be like, i now feel better about the move, in fact actively for it and this is cos i know the fans (which are the heartbeat of the club) have been understood.
the point is that for things we love, I believe to not question the decision, not seek the rationale/logic behind decisions, ponder alternatives, foresee problems, fear outcomes, or on the other positively embrace developments, is a purely apathetic attitude and makes the decisionmakers unaccountable to their stakeholders/custom.
my presumed resistance to change is purely apprehension over things i love but i have no influence over. voicing my concerns/ideas/etc publically and encouraging others to do the same is about the only way i can exert any influence whatsoever.
visca pacha!
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icebaer69
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hmmm ... then it must be the holy ghost or some creature from outer space
who gives away the pacha-franchises
but if i were urgell (or whoever is responsible for the pacha-franchise-system) maybe i would do the same because of the nice money i get
for allowing to use the pacha-cherries
Well put and heartfelt.i know i was just making the point that pacha replicas don't work. the lack of policing/control of what pacha franchises represent tho, which the urgells will preside over, does worry me.
crowd/people, i mean the same thing. i have no doubt that any new pacha will be successful and busy and have a crowd but it's whether it will appeal to me, as a pachalover, whether it will represent what pacha ibiza is. it's all about whether the heartbeat of the club can continue beating, i feel a change of venue may constitute a sever too deep for the new pacha to be pacha in anything other than name.
back in the day 99-01 is better personally cos i know it more intimately than recent years, of course it doesn't make it actually better, only than for me.
with dc10 - i feel it's jsut different from what i liked about it.
space - the club has lost things forever by expanding/redeveloping but of course it has gained a great many things also. it can only ever be subjective as to whether the positives outweight the negative. i still think space is a spectacular clubbing experience. the heartbeat is still there.
anfield - having seen some plans this week as to the what the new stadium will be like, i now feel better about the move, in fact actively for it and this is cos i know the fans (which are the heartbeat of the club) have been understood.
the point is that for things we love, I believe to not question the decision, not seek the rationale/logic behind decisions, ponder alternatives, foresee problems, fear outcomes, or on the other positively embrace developments, is a purely apathetic attitude and makes the decisionmakers unaccountable to their stakeholders/custom.
my presumed resistance to change is purely apprehension over things i love but i have no influence over. voicing my concerns/ideas/etc publically and encouraging others to do the same is about the only way i can exert any influence whatsoever.
visca pacha!
Personally if something's crap I just stop going. As you might be able to guess I'm a cat person not a dog person.
icebaer69, running a franchise and granting one are two quite different things.
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icebaer69
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thank you for making this point clear ... i thought that the urgell-family
would fly around with helicopters every night to personally run all the
pacha-clubs around the world
thank you for making this point clear ... i thought that the urgell-family
would fly around with helicopters every night to personally run all the
pacha-clubs around the world
oh icey!
Moha
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taken from the article Sun rising in the far east - Ibiza 2007:
The big news there is Fritz Pangratz (below, in the white shirt) is the man in charge no longer. After more than 15 years at a venue commonly regarded as the best of its kind in the world, he's relinquished the reins. Now the responsibility for running the show has been lifted from his shoulders will he be partying hard? Be there to find out.
http://www.space-ibiza.es
This mean Fritz might re-open Penelope?
McRackin
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in related news..... taken from the pacha newsletter:
Pacha Sitges 40th anniversary !
Pacha Sitges, was the first PACHA Club in the World 40 years ago and to celebrate we OPEN NEW WEBSITE.
Get in and find the new interactive Web of PACHA SITGES. Find out how was the first Pacha of the World 40 years ago.
Parties calendar, news, online radio without audio ads with the best DJs, merchandise raffle and many more.......
Visit http://www.pachasitges.com and learn everythin about.
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icebaer69
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the lounge/restaurant viper in ibiza town (opposite cine cartago) is for lease
unbelievable - there are so many bars/restaurants/etc in ibiza
which have a shorter life than a mayfly
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