Erick Morillo

ElrowLovers said:
Now I'm not saying this was the case with Erick Morillo. Just saying people have a different understanding of 'consent' and it would be very wise if we teach the next generation about the concept...the yes...the no and the grey area.
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It's one of those things some 'woke' younger folk are all over - they'd probably want to teach you about it.
 
AntonioGeordio said:
Don't worry, I didn't know either mukka ?‍♂️

I'm no where near as knowledgeable about DJs and artists etc as most posters on here.

I started reading this thread thinking 'oh no poor bloke, that is a shame'

But after a few pages in I was more like 'fcuk sake! What a total cock!'
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I know like when I first heard the news about him being dead I was sad and thought what a waste legend gone...
He is still a legend dj wise no denying that but very conflicting as was also a slime bag with women
 
ElRow
ElrowLovers said:
The understanding of the concept 'consent' is the whole problem here I think.

When does someone feel consent? Before it happens? High on drugs, dancing with each other, barely clothed? During the sex? Do two people always have to ask consent in a literal way, like: "do you want me to penetrate you?"

And, tough and sensitive question I know...does consent go away and gets annulled when someone regrets that it happened?
Note that every summer or party season or saturdaynigth for my part, lots of people regret having sex with someone. Perhaps even doubting if they would have done it if they were sober. But that does not mean it's rape.

Now I'm not saying this was the case with Erick Morillo. It looks like he made the grey area of the concept a bit bigger if the girl was really sleeping...I'm just saying people have a different understanding of 'consent' and it would be very wise if we teach the next generation about the concept...the yes...the no and the grey area.
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?

There's no problem.

No = No.

A pretty simple tenet of law and basic morality across the civilised world.
 
Tourist said:
ElRow

?

There's no problem.

No = No.

A pretty simple tenet of law and basic morality across the civilised world.
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Sometimes there is not a clear no that is said before sex, obviously if so f***ed on drink or drugs and you can't consent that's different, I have been in that situation

As a woman I have also been in situations where I knew what I was doing even though I was f***ed I have had sex even though In head I am thinking I really don't want to do this and I am not really feeling it but I haven't uttered the words no so it's not like I didn't consent then after I have regretted it...

Also had friends that have had drinks spiked then went back to a guys and had sex... That's not on!
 
Tourist said:
ElRow

?

There's no problem.

No = No.

A pretty simple tenet of law and basic morality across the civilised world.
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Sometimes someone says yes...or gives the impression of yes.
And wakes up and thinks: I should have said no.

There IS a problem with consent. That problem will never go away. There is a grey area, unfortunately. If everyone keeps seeing it as black or white, yes or no...things will never get better. Discussing that grey area and defining what we can or cannot see as consent is the right way.

Taking consent for granted when someone is sleeping is rape. And taking a lack of no for a yes is not okay.
But accusing someone of rape...while in reality it is regret instead of rape is not okay either. It happens. More than you would like to hear.
 
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NickyT said:
'when does someone feel consent' and 'it being a grey area' are beyond offensive statements!
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It's called a grown up and reasonable conversation about difficult topics. I'm not saying anything slightly offensive. I'm talking out of professional experience with examples like this. Never said consent IS a grey area...but unfortunately consent HAS a grey area, people are not always clear in what they do or dont want and it can even change during or after the event.
 
cunninghamali said:
Sometimes there is not a clear no that is said before sex, obviously if so f***ed on drink or drugs and you can't consent that's different, I have been in that situation

As a woman I have also been in situations where I knew what I was doing even though I was f***ed I have had sex even though In head I am thinking I really don't want to do this and I am not really feeling it but I haven't uttered the words no so it's not like I didn't consent then after I have regretted it...

Also had friends that have had drinks spiked then went back to a guys and had sex... That's not on!
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Lots of respect for your honesty about personal experiences.

Totally agree with what you're saying..if you're so f***ed up you can't consent...it is not okay for the guy to just go ahead with it.
 
ElrowLovers said:
The understanding of the concept 'consent' is the whole problem here I think.

When does someone feel consent? Before it happens? High on drugs, dancing with each other, barely clothed? During the sex? Do two people always have to ask consent in a literal way, like: "do you want me to penetrate you?"

And, tough and sensitive question I know...does consent go away and gets annulled when someone regrets that it happened?
Note that every summer or party season or saturdaynigth for my part, lots of people regret having sex with someone. Perhaps even doubting if they would have done it if they were sober. But that does not mean it's rape.

Now I'm not saying this was the case with Erick Morillo. It looks like he made the grey area of the concept a bit bigger if the girl was really sleeping...I'm just saying people have a different understanding of 'consent' and it would be very wise if we teach the next generation about the concept...the yes...the no and the grey area.
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Sorry but this post is scary and problematic in so many ways.

Firstly - of course consent doesn’t necessarily have to be verbal. It’s clear if someone wants to have sex with you or not - if there’s ANY resistance, that should be taken as a no. Having to be persistent, get somebody under the influence of drugs or alcohol or wait until they’re sleeping is rape. No other way to look at it.

Secondly I fail to see how people’s concept of consent could be anything other than ‘no means no’.
 
KarlHodson said:
Sorry but this post is scary and problematic in so many ways.

Firstly - of course consent doesn’t necessarily have to be verbal. It’s clear if someone wants to have sex with you or not - if there’s ANY resistance, that should be taken as a no. Having to be persistent, get somebody under the influence of drugs or alcohol or wait until they’re sleeping is rape. No other way to look at it.

Secondly I fail to see how people’s concept of consent could be anything other than ‘no means no’.
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You just read some sentences of my post, folded them together as a conclusion and decided to find it scary and problematic?
 
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