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soha

Well-Known Member
Do you have a trip sitter or do you trip alone? I was starting to worry about what would happen if I started shouting out (at 6am in the morning; I live in a 4-in-a-block flat and you can hear neighbours through the walls) or the potential for other erratic behaviour. But I think physical expression can be part of letting stuff out during a strong trip rather than an unwanted side effect. There is a Hamilton Morris episode about 5-meo-dmt where people are rolling around and acting like they're fighting with invisible beings after a few hits of it, yet they always come out feeling refreshed. The main concern is that it can make you puke and if you roll into the wrong position you could choke on your vomit.
No sitter, I wouldn't fully relax with a sitter.
On dmt I just lay still and quiet, I am in zero danger.
With the 5meo iv yet to try but I feel it will be similar enough.

I think the reaction on some of those videos are way overstated.
Also the reason for the potential vomiting and sickness is (to my knowledge) comes mainly from smoking the buffo toad secretions, so there are other substances in there not just the 5meo and bufotenine.

I have synthetic freebase 5meo so the dosing should be more accurate and pure.

With edibles and shrooms I'd be far more anxious about harming myself, especially as those trips last so long. I don't really like that.
 

Johnny Vodka

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Should really go in the Psychedelic Science thread, but seeing as everyone prefers this one...

Another step on the road to MDMA becoming a medicine in conjunction with therapy.

MAPS’ Phase 3 Trial of MDMA-Assisted Therapy for PTSD Achieves Successful Results for Patients with Severe, Chronic PTSD - MAPS

MAPS’ Phase 3 Trial of MDMA-Assisted Therapy for PTSD Achieves Successful Results for Patients with Severe, Chronic PTSD​

Written on May 3, 2021.

  • The highly statistically significant results and excellent safety record suggest MDMA-assisted therapy will be an effective treatment for severe, chronic PTSD
  • 67% of participants who received three MDMA-assisted therapy sessions no longer qualified for a PTSD diagnosis and 88% experienced a clinically meaningful reduction in symptoms
  • The pivotal Phase 3 trial treated 90 patients with severe, chronic PTSD from any cause with an average duration of 14 years and replicated the results of Phase 2 trials
  • Study participants included patients with PTSD caused by combat-related events; accidents; abuse; and sexual harm; 84% have a history of developmental trauma
  • MAPS is hopeful that these results will facilitate FDA approval in 2023 for this Breakthrough-designated therapy
 

Johnny Vodka

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Psychedelics make us realise there is a higher power out there. If not respected, it can bite us on the arse.

The original AA higher power.

LSD could help alcoholics stop drinking, AA founder believed | Drugs | The Guardian
The co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) believed LSD could be used to cure alcoholics and credited the drug with helping his own recovery from often debilitating depression, according to new research.

About 20 years after setting up the Ohio-based sobriety movement in 1935, Bill Wilson came to believe that LSD could help "cynical alcoholics" achieve a "spiritual awakening" and start on the path to recovery.



The discovery that Wilson considered using the drug as an aid to recovery for addicts was made by Don Lattin, author of a book to be published in October by the University of California Press, entitled Distilled Spirits.

Lattin found letters and documents revealing that Wilson at first struggled with the idea that one drug could be used to overcome addiction to another. LSD, which was first synthesised in 1938, is a non-addictive drug that alters thought processes and can inspire spiritual experiences. Wilson thought initially the substance could help others understand the alcohol-induced hallucinations experienced by addicts, and that it might terrify drinkers into changing their ways.

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But after his first acid trip, at the Veterans Administration (VA) hospital in Los Angeles on 29 August 1956, Wilson began to believe it was insight, not terror, that could help alcoholics recover.

LSD, by mimicking insanity, could help alcoholics achieve a central tenet of the Twelve Step programme proposed by AA, he believed. It was a matter of finding "a power greater than ourselves" that "could restore us to sanity". He warned: "I don't believe [LSD] has any miraculous property of transforming spiritually and emotionally sick people into healthy ones overnight. It can set up a shining goal on the positive side, after all it is only a temporary ego-reducer."

But Wilson added: "The vision and insights given by LSD could create a large incentive – at least in a considerable number of people."

His words were found in a late 50s letter to Father Ed Dowling, a Catholic priest and member of an experimental group he had formed in New York to explore the spiritual potential of LSD.

Wilson is known to have taken LSD in supervised experiments in the 1950s with Betty Eisner, an American psychologist known for pioneering use of LSD and other psychedelic drugs as adjuncts to psychotherapy, and Sidney Cohen, a psychiatrist in Los Angeles.

Wilson also discussed, in great detail, taking LSD with the author Aldous Huxley, and it is likely, though not proven, that the pair experimented with the drug together.

"I am certain that the LSD experiment has helped me very much," Wilson wrote in a 1957 letter to the science writer and philosopher Gerald Heard. "I find myself with a heightened colour perception and an appreciation of beauty almost destroyed by my years of depressions."

In a talk given in 1976, Humphry Osmond, the British psychiatrist who coined the word "psychedelic", said he told Wilson in 1956 "that [LSD] was good news".

Osmond said: "But [Wilson] was far from pleased with the idea of alcoholics being assailed by some strange chemical. Later on Bill got extremely interested and … he likened his LSD experience to his earlier vision of seeing this chain of drunks around the world, all helping each other. This caused various scandals in AA. They were very ambivalent about their great founder taking LSD, yet they wouldn't have existed if he hadn't been of an adventurous kind of mind."

Lattin also found letters in which Eisner described Wilson's thoughts when attending the VA hospital in 1956 to take LSD in a controlled experiment with herself, Cohen and Wilson's wife, Lois. "Alcoholics Anonymous was actually considering using LSD," Eisner wrote. "Alcoholics get to a point in the [programme] where they need a spiritual experience but not all of them are able to have one."

In a letter to Heard in September 1956, shortly after his first LSD experience, Wilson admitted he was appreciating the drug's value. "I do feel a residue of assurance and a feeling of enhanced beauty that seems likely to stay by me."

A few months on Wilson was yet more positive about the long-term benefits. "More and more it appears to me that the experience has done a sustained good," he wrote to Heard on 4 December 1956. "My reactions to things totally, and in particular, have very definitely improved for no other reason that I can see."

Lattin said Wilson was "so intrigued by the spiritual potential of LSD" he formed the experimental group that included Dowling, and Eugene Exman, Harper's religious book editor. Wilson, however, remained sensitive to the controversy of his experiments. In a letter to Cohen, written between 1956 and 1961, he reported hearing gossip about his LSD use in AA circles. He reminded Cohen about "the desirability" of omitting his name "when discussing LSD with AAs". Cohen reassured Wilson that his LSD trials did not include other active AA members.

In 1958 Wilson defended his drug use in a long letter but soon afterwards removed himself from the AA governing body to be free to do his experiments.

According to the anonymous author of his official biography, Wilson felt LSD "helped him eliminate many barriers erected by the self, or ego, that stand in the way of one's direct experiences of the cosmos and of god". He "thought he might have found something that could make a big difference to the lives of many who still suffered".

But, according to Pass It On, published in 1984 by AA World Services in New York, the movement was totally against his suggestions. "As word of Bill's activities reached the fellowship there were inevitable repercussions. Most AAs were violently opposed to his experimenting with a mind-altering substance. LSD was then totally unfamiliar, poorly researched, and entirely experimental – and Bill was taking it."
 

ibizasunset

Member
He was speaking specifically about the founder of AA's interest in using LSD
Fair does, that is interesting, as I thought AA thought all drugs were bad and all lead to alcohol, although I think potentially weed wouldn't, depending on the individual, my personal opinion. I do think for sure, people within the AA group would say attend meetings, rather then drop acid. Think your referencing to rerestarting the reason why people drink in the first place, think they might be right, think all trips give us answers, its just whether we are ready or want to take on board what they say.
 

kimajy

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I'm not a religious person in the slightest, infact I hate religion, but let me tell you that when reflecting on a dmt breakthrough experience that the most plausible reason for what you see/experience is that there there is some type of greater power, or a creator of some sort.

The mind is a very powerful thing, for good and ill. Once you interfere with the self-regulation aspects it is capable of a great deal more than most imagine. This can be unlocked through trauma, drugs and in certain other circumstances.
 

Johnny Vodka

Well-Known Member
There's been enough brain-imaging done of people on psilocybin, etc to understand what's happening physically in the brain to produce these powerful subjective experiences.
 

ibizasunset

Member
I think a better term then 'the higher power' is mother nature, trips make us start to realise that she has the power, not any of us, we are just a speck of sand on a beach
 

ibizasunset

Member
The mind is a very powerful thing, for good and ill. Once you interfere with the self-regulation aspects it is capable of a great deal more than most imagine. This can be unlocked through trauma, drugs and in certain other circumstances.
The mind is a very powerful thing, for good and ill. Once you interfere with the self-regulation aspects it is capable of a great deal more than most imagine. This can be unlocked through trauma, drugs and in certain other circumstances.
Thats an interesting choice of word, self regulation, another word could be conditioning, which happens when we go to school as a kid, pay our bills and generally do what soceity expects us to. Trips in the right hands, the right circumtances and with the right people remind us theres more to live then that,
 
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