Don Simon
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Thanks, I was unaware but I'm not surprised
Donald Trump
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All good. She's a psycho. FYI that video she shot was staged. Lol DC has some of the strictest gun control in the country, she would be arrested and charged for sure. The DC police chief already told her so when she mouthed off about it before. She's a coward
Trump is getting absolutely annihilated by what happened. Good.
CasaNegron
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People were murdered there...
Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone (Published 2020)
City officials have vowed to dismantle the free-protest area set up during anti-police demonstrations and retake the Capitol Hill police station. But worries of confrontation have delayed a resolution.
Not Chop/Chaz, but still...
Rioters Set Fire to Federal Courthouse in Portland
Rioters in Portland set fire to a federal courthouse Wednesday night as nightly violence continues to rock the city and local officials call for federal law enforcement agents deployed by the Trump administration to leave.More than 1,000 protesters congregated near the Justice Center and Federal...
Portland protesters barricade courthouse with federal officers inside, then try to set it on fire
Portland protesters barricaded federal officers inside a courthouse — and tried to set the building on fire — as the two groups clashed again Tuesday night into Wednesday. As hundreds c…
nypost.com
I actually agree with you overall. Today was terrible and these idiots will embolden all sorts of extremists in the future.
My response was to the comment that somehow the rioters/ protestors/ insurrectionists today were being treated different because they were white or right wing. CHAZ got to declare themselves independent and set up shop for 3 weeks with no police interventions (keeping out police and ambulances). A lady got shot in the face today and died at the capital. Not exactly kid gloves. I am sure you are also familiar with Waco, Ruby Ridge, Bundy Standoff, etc.... all white/right wing that ended with a body count. We can add to that murder to left, black and brown groups MOVE (Philly '85).
Not picking forum fights with anyone today, BTW. With all that 2020 brought, its easy to forget what went down last summer. What happened today made me sick to my stomach, tho.
kimajy
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It's time for the 25th Amendment to be invoked. Trump still denying he lost and refusing to condemn what happened today. Just get him out from the inside, he's clearly not fit to be President. A man who incited this today against American democracy having codes to the nuclear button (symbolizing a great deal more than that) is a situation America surely cannot stand by and allow for a day longer. His petulant spite is bitter enough to risk a great deal more damage to the country's image and reputation as a whole if he is allowed to stay in office for 2 more weeks.
You're all good! I'm currently feeding my minion, ill respond in a bit with more info.People were murdered there...
Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone (Published 2020)
City officials have vowed to dismantle the free-protest area set up during anti-police demonstrations and retake the Capitol Hill police station. But worries of confrontation have delayed a resolution.www.nytimes.com
Not Chop/Chaz, but still...
Rioters Set Fire to Federal Courthouse in Portland
Rioters in Portland set fire to a federal courthouse Wednesday night as nightly violence continues to rock the city and local officials call for federal law enforcement agents deployed by the Trump administration to leave.More than 1,000 protesters congregated near the Justice Center and Federal...news.yahoo.com
Portland protesters barricade courthouse with federal officers inside, then try to set it on fire
Portland protesters barricaded federal officers inside a courthouse — and tried to set the building on fire — as the two groups clashed again Tuesday night into Wednesday. As hundreds c…
I actually agree with you overall. Today was terrible and these idiots will embolden all sorts of extremists in the future.
My response was to the comment that somehow the rioters/ protestors/ insurrectionists today were being treated different because they were white or right wing. CHAZ got to declare themselves independent and set up shop for 3 weeks with no police interventions (keeping out police and ambulances). A lady got shot in the face today and died at the capital. Not exactly kid gloves. I am sure you are also familiar with Waco, Ruby Ridge, Bundy Standoff, etc.... all white/right wing that ended with a body count. We can add to that murder to left, black and brown groups MOVE (Philly '85).
Not picking forum fights with anyone today, BTW. With all that 2020 brought, its easy to forget what went down last summer. What happened today made me sick to my stomach, tho.
People were murdered there...
Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone (Published 2020)
City officials have vowed to dismantle the free-protest area set up during anti-police demonstrations and retake the Capitol Hill police station. But worries of confrontation have delayed a resolution.
Not Chop/Chaz, but still...
Rioters Set Fire to Federal Courthouse in Portland
Rioters in Portland set fire to a federal courthouse Wednesday night as nightly violence continues to rock the city and local officials call for federal law enforcement agents deployed by the Trump administration to leave.More than 1,000 protesters congregated near the Justice Center and Federal...
Portland protesters barricade courthouse with federal officers inside, then try to set it on fire
Portland protesters barricaded federal officers inside a courthouse — and tried to set the building on fire — as the two groups clashed again Tuesday night into Wednesday. As hundreds c…
I actually agree with you overall. Today was terrible and these idiots will embolden all sorts of extremists in the future.
My response was to the comment that somehow the rioters/ protestors/ insurrectionists today were being treated different because they were white or right wing. CHAZ got to declare themselves independent and set up shop for 3 weeks with no police interventions (keeping out police and ambulances). A lady got shot in the face today and died at the capital. Not exactly kid gloves. I am sure you are also familiar with Waco, Ruby Ridge, Bundy Standoff, etc.... all white/right wing that ended with a body count. We can add to that murder to left, black and brown groups MOVE (Philly '85).
Not picking forum fights with anyone today, BTW. With all that 2020 brought, its easy to forget what went down last summer. What happened today made me sick to my stomach, tho.
OK, all done feeding mini-me.
First- nothing but love here, totally not trying to start a fight - there's been enough shit today.
CHAZ/CHOP was grossly misrepresented in the media in terms of scope and impact. The initial movement was to blockade the East precinct of the SPD (Seattle Police Dept.) This happened after multiple days of police abuse during BLM marches. The SPD chose to abandon the precinct shortly after things began (IIRC Mayor Durkin gave the order). - This is when CHAZ/CHOP really started.
In response SPD refused to answer ANY calls in the area (not limited to the protest area). They literally ignored calls to respond in the area (essentially taking their ball and going home). The first couple of days were uneventful, mostly just a sit in and weird situation. The area was a park and two blocks of the adjacent street, minimal impact to the city and neighbors. Outside the direct area you would never have known anything was happening in the city, life was totally normal.
It was after these first couple of days that the homeless population began gathering and erecting a tent city in the park that things started becoming worse/violent. This is when there were shootings (2) and a stabbing (1) happened (all among this population). At this point the protest was largely over and it had essentially become a vagrant camp, the city came in and cleared it shortly after.
Source - I've lived in Seattle for over 35 years, went to Uni two blocks from CHAZ, and lived there with my wife for over 3. I went to the area during the protest quite a bit and live about a mile away now. I can cite all this later if you want, don't have the bandwidth right now - let me know and I'll be happy to do it tomorrow.
- You're point about the protestors and color, I definitely agree with you here. -
It's not an apples to apples comparison for today's crap to BLM. BLM marches had police already deployed in mass and prepared to disperse rowdy crowds immediately. Today wasn't like that. The Trump admin specifically put everything on the DC PD. There were no federal resources allocated prior to the incident. Would it have been different? I doubt it - I think if there were the same # of cops deployed like BLM they would have responded the same as they have previously and gassed/shot/put down the threat. I think that's also why they weren't deployed in advance.
I saw that someone died from gunshots to the chest today, I tried to find any info I could about it, but it's not clear what happened. I don't think it was police action because it seemed to have happened much earlier than all this, just have to wait and see.
I hope you and your family are doing well, this crap will be over soon I hope!
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Buckley
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If they don't invoke it, you have to wonder what would have to happen for them to do so.
The Sun God
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what we saw yesterday was a fascist assault on democracy. obv it was low end chaos, tragic virgins who've spent their lives on computers in their parents' basements but the more sinister stuff is higher up the chain. the fact police colluded in allowing it to happen... when any more normal police force would have teargassed or tasered the fk out of that demo (as I've seen here in Spain where people have been known to get beaten up by the cops for demonstrating or voting..)
in fact lots of people colluded with the monster for 4 years from across the GOP and ordinarily respectable society. they fed the beast. they created frankenstein. part of me increasingly thinks the trump experience was in a way a necessary journey for the US which had perhaps got complacent under Obama and had perhaps been in denial of its darker side for far too long. maybe as a result long overdue change will finally come? - jails, guns, police, and badly needed electoral reform
on the flipside the danger here is that the left get overexcited and go too far and respond in exactly the wrong way, playing in to their enemies' hands. the likes of AOC need to be kept at arms' length if you are going to reach out across the divide. changing America requires a more subtle approach , not based on colour/culture conflict but on the things that bind people but nobody seems to be the mood for compromise and healing right now so Biden's work is cut out. he sounded a bit doddery in that speech yesterday and there is a real risk this all might be beyond him, because unfortunately you cannot reason with the deranged
in fact lots of people colluded with the monster for 4 years from across the GOP and ordinarily respectable society. they fed the beast. they created frankenstein. part of me increasingly thinks the trump experience was in a way a necessary journey for the US which had perhaps got complacent under Obama and had perhaps been in denial of its darker side for far too long. maybe as a result long overdue change will finally come? - jails, guns, police, and badly needed electoral reform
on the flipside the danger here is that the left get overexcited and go too far and respond in exactly the wrong way, playing in to their enemies' hands. the likes of AOC need to be kept at arms' length if you are going to reach out across the divide. changing America requires a more subtle approach , not based on colour/culture conflict but on the things that bind people but nobody seems to be the mood for compromise and healing right now so Biden's work is cut out. he sounded a bit doddery in that speech yesterday and there is a real risk this all might be beyond him, because unfortunately you cannot reason with the deranged
CasaNegron
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Yeah, its a 'top 10' pet-peeve of mine. I feel like the black community is used as shield or battering ram (depending on the situation) by political pundits and activists of all colors to shut down debate. The black community doesn't benefit from it at all and others advance their agendas at our expense, all while concrete solutions go ignored for decades.
kimajy
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2H76
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Two-edged sword isn't it? Should peeps be allowed to run riot on fakebook and twatter with covid conspiracy thoeries? Or the moon landings were fake? Or you can get all sorts of stuff from 5g masts?
And if the planktons are "banned" what about wikileaks? Whistle-blowers? It's a no-win situation; and people reading stuff don't appear to have the intelligence to research what they are reading. It's a worry when the British Medical Journal says one thing, but Sharon With the Huge Eyelashes says something else on fakebook and She Must Be Right.
That's how we got fecking Brexit.
tclubber
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It's a potential problem in the future, I agree.
But here, they were just enforcing their terms of service. I use Amazon AWS professionally, and their terms have been pretty clear for years: among other things, the platform may not be used to incite violence.
Since there is a whole infrastructure serving the porno industry (which is banned from Big Tech too), I think it is premature to talk of a "total censorship" - there are still ways to serve the content banned on Big Tech.
And the Republicans were against Net Neutrality anyway, so they shouldn't complain now that their content is being treated differently ?
Facebook, twitter and the like are private companies with their own terms of service. You agree to them when you sign up. Break them, and you risk losing the service. No different to Spotlight's T&Cs.
Do big tech companies wield too much power? Definitely. But that's a different argument. Trump wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for Twitter. He was on borrowed time long ago. The real question should be, why wasn't he thrown off sooner
Do big tech companies wield too much power? Definitely. But that's a different argument. Trump wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for Twitter. He was on borrowed time long ago. The real question should be, why wasn't he thrown off sooner
Agreed.
Donald Trump backed a bakery that did not want to deal with a customer- because they requested a wedding cake for a gay marriage. He said it was their business and they could choose what customers they wanted to work with.
So how can Donald Trump be annoyed with a private company that has chosen to ban users who have been in multiple breaches of it's T&Cs?
Having a social media account is not some kind of 'freedom of speech' divine right. He can find or seeing as he is a successful businessman even build his own platform to spew his bile.
Donald Trump backed a bakery that did not want to deal with a customer- because they requested a wedding cake for a gay marriage. He said it was their business and they could choose what customers they wanted to work with.
So how can Donald Trump be annoyed with a private company that has chosen to ban users who have been in multiple breaches of it's T&Cs?
Having a social media account is not some kind of 'freedom of speech' divine right. He can find or seeing as he is a successful businessman even build his own platform to spew his bile.
CasaNegron
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Trump is a big baby. I deal with relatively wealthy people and I come to the conclusion that consistent complaining is how they eke out a marginal advantage that accumulates wealth over time. Sad but true.
100% agree that websites and social media platforms are private property, unless they hold a monopoly position (or move in concert). At that point, they become a utility.
I am not as worried about Facebook and Twitter, as much as the hosting services. MySpace and AOL were big social media platforms at one point, and Yahoo was king of search (and a lot of other stuff), until it wasn't. I could start a social media company tomorrow, specializing in 'Bum Pics' ?, and censor anyone who believes boobs are better!
Mmmm, wide hips... (stares off to the horizon)
Back to my point, I do imagine that it is much more difficult to build or buy the infrastructure to host said website. I don't know how many providers are out there, honestly. I know there are right-wing alternatives to FB/Twitter, but big-tech is moving to make access to their apps difficult (removing from google/apple app stores) and refusing to host their sites (Amazon).
100% agree that websites and social media platforms are private property, unless they hold a monopoly position (or move in concert). At that point, they become a utility.
I am not as worried about Facebook and Twitter, as much as the hosting services. MySpace and AOL were big social media platforms at one point, and Yahoo was king of search (and a lot of other stuff), until it wasn't. I could start a social media company tomorrow, specializing in 'Bum Pics' ?, and censor anyone who believes boobs are better!
Mmmm, wide hips... (stares off to the horizon)
Back to my point, I do imagine that it is much more difficult to build or buy the infrastructure to host said website. I don't know how many providers are out there, honestly. I know there are right-wing alternatives to FB/Twitter, but big-tech is moving to make access to their apps difficult (removing from google/apple app stores) and refusing to host their sites (Amazon).