Dance Music: Where are things at?
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Johnny Vodka
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I'd probably be as happy with that tbh, especially if it meant the DJs took risks, mixed it up and maybe brought ticket prices down. Going to see a DJ isn't like going to see a live show... Ultimately (as the old saying goes) they're just people that play other people's records - hopefully those records are interesting/good ones.
The Sun God
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This. I think what's changed massively is the way the hype machine no longer revolves around big summer tunes anymore. Esp when you consider people in the past falling over themselves to land a copy of Stardust, Horny, Needin U, Groovejet.. That would never happen now because the music is redundant. djs will play whatever files they get sent as long as it fits the formula. Maybe less the case at glitterbox which is vocal heavy but elsewhere people would never know/care
Aren't we replicating your crawl/jolly this summer? Big anniversary reunion isn't it?Are we saying it's not as good as it used to be?
To be fair, I'm sure I'd agree if I as ever likely to step foot in a club again, but the kids don't care. We're comparing to things that are so different that the only link is one created the other a long time ago.
Saw this and immediately thought of this thread
Buckley
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Plans are afoot!Aren't we replicating your crawl/jolly this summer? Big anniversary reunion isn't it?
james-king
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Hope we see more of Skream this year, recent tracks have been good and he was on
when i saw him b2b richie ahmed at amnesia last summer, Know hes on a few of the circoloco lineups but hoping for few more bits.
The Sun God
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the djs i used to see playing together in London like say xpress 2 or the innervisions lot, used to complement each other. No fuss. Just mates having fun. Now it’s just twatty egos hogging the limelight
The Sun God
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Dance site Beatburguer confirming the drift away from reggaeton. My own non-scientific hunch is the clubs overreached because the kids who love this stuff wouldn't be in those clubs. The wealthier mainland kids who go over, go for El Row and branded parties like that. The barrio kids who like urban sounds don't generally leave the barrio... so you're relying on a very limited local catchment area cos tourists from Stockport or Rotterdam sure as hell aren't going to be getting down to Daddy Yankee.
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A Ibiza ya no le gusta el reggaetón
Por desgracia a los que consideramos que la música debe ser un arte elaborado, nos quedan aún muchos años antes que esta tendencia vacía de contenido se convierta en un estilo residual.
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BareBen91
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Dance site Beatburguer confirming the drift away from reggaeton. My own non-scientific hunch is the clubs overreached because the kids who love this stuff wouldn't be in those clubs. The wealthier mainland kids who go over, go for El Row and branded parties like that. The barrio kids who like urban sounds don't generally leave the barrio... so you're relying on a very limited local catchment area cos tourists from Stockport or Rotterdam sure as hell aren't going to be getting down to Daddy Yankee.
A Ibiza ya no le gusta el reggaetón
Por desgracia a los que consideramos que la música debe ser un arte elaborado, nos quedan aún muchos años antes que esta tendencia vacía de contenido se convierta en un estilo residual.
Well I think I speak for everyone when I say what tremendously bad news this is, a real loss to the scene
The seeming shift away from Reggaeton is interesting and it's 100% tied to a lot of the discussion in the gossip thread about ticket pricing (directly and indirectly). Something to discuss in about six months in the season review
There's still lots of gaps in the calendar though...
and a quick glance at Es Paradis shows lots of Latin and Hip-Hop
Generally, the popularity of Reggaeton continues to rise (the streaming figures keep going up and up) I think we're truly just waiting on the northern Europeans making their mind up about it (Reggaeton parties becoming almost a weekly thing in London) - that will be the deciding factor in its longevity on Ibiza
There's still lots of gaps in the calendar though...
and a quick glance at Es Paradis shows lots of Latin and Hip-Hop
Generally, the popularity of Reggaeton continues to rise (the streaming figures keep going up and up) I think we're truly just waiting on the northern Europeans making their mind up about it (Reggaeton parties becoming almost a weekly thing in London) - that will be the deciding factor in its longevity on Ibiza
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The Sun God
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would be interesting to get a full demographic breakdown of who goes to the clubs each season now (or does data protection law prevent that?) - by age, nationality and other features. I think London is an outlier UK-wise in so far as a massive South American population clustered around Brixton, Stockwell, Elephant drives the latin scene there (maybe there is some crossover, I have no idea?) I certainly remember a few surreal nights at the Corsica Studios BITD where there was all of us at one end of the smoking area munted off our chops, and then a whole load of latinos a few yards away who were anything but taking a breather from the salsa next door!
absolutely and to the best of my knowledge, it's a predominantly South American second or third generation crowd at these London parties (though not like Ibiza is lacking a South American community either)
3 or 4 years ago, the likes of Little Mix and Ed Sheeran were jumping on the Latin bandwagon - are they still? I can't say they are, but then again I'm not exactly looking
hey, whatever works for the good people of Dekmantel, works for me. No questions askedNot exactly looking / too busy finding mmm whatcha say reworks
The Sun God
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can you tell the difference between Oasis and AIsis?
the evidence is pretty damning lol
this has the potential to completely annihilate the music industry
www.theguardian.com
the evidence is pretty damning lol
this has the potential to completely annihilate the music industry
‘We got bored waiting for Oasis to re-form’: AIsis, the band fronted by an AI Liam Gallagher
A new album – full of Oasis-esque anthems – imagines what might have been if the band’s classic lineup had continued making music. So, we ask its human co-creators, what’s the story?
The Sun God
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The underground is still there on Twitter if you look hard enough. There's a backlash against gimmicks and supposedly seriously heads playing Alice Deejay in Berghain just to amuse themselves. Does it matter? Does any of this matter? I'm so disconnected from it all, I don't even know anymore
The Sun God
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following on from that Oasis article, the AI thing is going to get very interesting. this is an excellent article
musicindustryblog.wordpress.com
basically I would add that when pop/dance/rnb/latin became beholden to autotune after Cher and Akon had those massive hits it meant it no longer mattered what your real voice sounded like. the story of the last 20 years. but if AI can simulate your autotuned voice, then what happens next? not just the legal side but people actually knowing what's real. so you could have a farcical situation where you don't know which autotune is real and which is a fake. so in a way by trying to cheat the public with shitty helium vocals for years, they've now shot themselves in the foot..
The same will happen in DJing too. Everyone's days are numbered and I don't think the industry fully realises where this is logically heading
AI will transform music; the question is how?
Every new technology goes through a period of being overhyped before the dust settles, and that technology either fades or builds steadily thereafter. Think 3D printing, VR, NFTs. In my 20+ years a…
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basically I would add that when pop/dance/rnb/latin became beholden to autotune after Cher and Akon had those massive hits it meant it no longer mattered what your real voice sounded like. the story of the last 20 years. but if AI can simulate your autotuned voice, then what happens next? not just the legal side but people actually knowing what's real. so you could have a farcical situation where you don't know which autotune is real and which is a fake. so in a way by trying to cheat the public with shitty helium vocals for years, they've now shot themselves in the foot..
The same will happen in DJing too. Everyone's days are numbered and I don't think the industry fully realises where this is logically heading