Myron Gaines
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5k travel fine yet long haul flights continue to come into the UK daily. Also it says "could be fined". More vague language as usual.
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'Could be fined' - i.e if caught by the police.
And long haul flights aren't banned as there are plenty of reasons why you can fly.
Myron Gaines
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So I can't travel more than 5 miles from my house but I can fly across the world. Whats wrong with this picture?
kimajy
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Exactly this. May 17th for international holidays was always a "might" (even June was) that was heavily dependent on how the pandemic evolved. A surge in cases in Europe that isn't fully under control by then (or any lack of confidence in the level of testing in relevant third countries) will very likely (and should) rule out relaxing those restrictions to see where things have got to by Summer.
Those people who rushed out and speculatively booked foreign holidays in May did so despite very clear warnings not to by the Government, so if they lose the gamble that's on them.
kimajy
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The fact that if you do fly half way across the world you'll have had tests before doing so and in many (currently all inbound) cases be quarantined indoors on arrival until you are shown not to have been incubating Covid.
2H76
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Think he's on telly tonight, Johnson, for the briefing. Hope he tells us we are still on track for re-opening in the UK; I'm sure he will be asked about foreign travel (and the affects of the european wave on it) and he won't be able to answer.
In the UK, for once, we've been ahead of the game r/e vaccines, whilst everyone else is being slow and over-cautious. Spain..still under 15% of the adult population vaxxed?
In the UK, for once, we've been ahead of the game r/e vaccines, whilst everyone else is being slow and over-cautious. Spain..still under 15% of the adult population vaxxed?
Moondust
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We are lied too day in day out by the media, politicians and government.
The mere mention of a 3rd wave across Europe and more lockdown tells you the majority will not be holidaying abroad this summer and a 3rd lockdown here, in some format, is inevitable.
Are the figures an accurate representation? I question it first hand because of the death of a family member to which i would of happily contested. However those figures, accurate or not will be used in the next course of action. Personally i feel this is far far from over.
The mere mention of a 3rd wave across Europe and more lockdown tells you the majority will not be holidaying abroad this summer and a 3rd lockdown here, in some format, is inevitable.
Are the figures an accurate representation? I question it first hand because of the death of a family member to which i would of happily contested. However those figures, accurate or not will be used in the next course of action. Personally i feel this is far far from over.
LP_IBIZA
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I've been thinking the exact same thing - the original roadmap laid out by the government stated that the review on International travel was going to take place no earlier than 17th May anyway so surely nothing much has changed!?
It's WAY too early to call on when we will be able to travel abroad for holidays - I'm personally optimistic for later on this summer (August-October) but surely it's best to be cautious, keep the borders closed, get our own house in order and get back to some form of normality here before we all start jogging off on holiday!?
I'm as desperate to get to Ibiza as the next man - but the domestic basics of being able to see my friends and family, go out to eat and drink, go to the gym, have a BBQ etc are far and away my priority right now!
In fact I would go as far as to say if you told me that I couldn't travel abroad until 2022 but that I would have full normality back on home soil as mapped out in our current roadmap I would snap your arm off!
jackmontandon
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Couldn't agree more!
tclubber
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The problem for the UK right now is that no one really knows how well vaccines deal with virus mutations.
The South African study is bad news, but it's still very well possible that the AZ vaccine eliminates severe cases/deaths from the South African mutation. From what I understand (I am not a biologist), the mechanism for preventing severe disease (T-Cells) is different from the mechanism that prevents infections in general (antibodies). If true, it would be enough to reenable travel - the whole idea of lockdowns is to avoid dead bodies piling up in the street, not to avoid every cough caused by Covid-19.
So don't get desperate, just keep in mind that any bookings made for the summer are a gamble. So book either very flexible or very cheap. Last summer, the gamble paid off (for those who traveled), maybe we'll get lucky this summer as well.
(From my point of view across the Channel, it's a luxury problems the Brits are having anyway
).
The South African study is bad news, but it's still very well possible that the AZ vaccine eliminates severe cases/deaths from the South African mutation. From what I understand (I am not a biologist), the mechanism for preventing severe disease (T-Cells) is different from the mechanism that prevents infections in general (antibodies). If true, it would be enough to reenable travel - the whole idea of lockdowns is to avoid dead bodies piling up in the street, not to avoid every cough caused by Covid-19.
So don't get desperate, just keep in mind that any bookings made for the summer are a gamble. So book either very flexible or very cheap. Last summer, the gamble paid off (for those who traveled), maybe we'll get lucky this summer as well.
(From my point of view across the Channel, it's a luxury problems the Brits are having anyway
).
AntonioGeordio
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Not sure if it's psychological or a strategy of our government & media, but feels like the UK has fallen into a cycle of positive week, negative week, repeat
All the data keeps improving with each passing day, but we definitely get an avalanche of either good or bad news all at once
To such an extent, I can't help but feel it is deliberate
All the data keeps improving with each passing day, but we definitely get an avalanche of either good or bad news all at once
To such an extent, I can't help but feel it is deliberate
spinksy123
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Hally
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Nothing teaches a virus a lesson more than a good old public uprising
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Johnny Vodka
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Still 112 deaths reported in the last 24 hours in the UK from the virus, so still a horrible number even if things are improving. I'm sure most of the gains currently are still from restrictions rather than the vaccine. Some of the right-wing 'freedom' types would be singing a different song if that was 112 deaths a day from terrorism.
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