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Neo95gt said:
With things being that low and a lot of progress being made with the vaccine, why aren’t they dropping restrictions?
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They have, schools were the first big test simply because the volume of people in them. Next Monday a couple more and then 2 weeks after the second round of them drop.

They've left 5 weeks to see the data sets in between, but we're currently testing double the amount and cases are staying similar levels. Also cases themselves don't matter as much now as there is break between the previous levels of how many cases would then go on to die.
 
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Neo95gt said:
With things being that low and a lot of progress being made with the vaccine, why aren’t they dropping restrictions?
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They're easing up very slowly from next week but partying and any form of meeting indoors shouldn't be happening for months or we'll just end up with another surge. 3 mone months and they should hopefully have vaccinated enough people to ease up a lot, despite every best effort of the European Union to scupper our long suffered road to freedom. Europe didn't lock down hard or vaccinate well and they're all having a massive 3rd wave as a result right now.
 
Here is some background on how and why our friends on the British Isles ended up with a better contract with AstraZeneca :(

How the UK gained an edge with AstraZeneca’s vaccine commitments

soha said:
On radio today it suggested there's just been research published that the AZ vaccine is only 10% effective against the South African variant.
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Yep, here are the results of the study:
AstraZeneca Vax Flops Against South African Variant in Early Trial
They didn't wait 12 weeks between vaccinations in this study, which gives a little bit of hope, but it is bad news indeed.
 
Tourist said:
can't speak for rest of eu but Spanish lockdown was hardcore and still is. Speaking as someone who has lived through it for a whole year. We were already masked up and under effective house arrest when Boris was still faffing about
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Early doors it was but in January 2021 UK went way further than the Continent, because of the severity of its 2nd wave and impact of the UK variant no doubt. This variant is about to ravage Europe and the 3 month head start they could have had through vaccinations to counter this has, unfortunately, been largely frittered. The Astrazeneca, now shown to have been highly effective in the elderly against the UK (Kent) variant, is still sat in cold rooms. It was a major tactical error playing super-cautious over that ....
 
tclubber said:
Here is some background on how and why our friends on the British Isles ended up with a better contract with AstraZeneca :(

How the UK gained an edge with AstraZeneca’s vaccine commitments


Yep, here are the results of the study:
AstraZeneca Vax Flops Against South African Variant in Early Trial
They didn't wait 12 weeks between vaccinations in this study, which gives a little bit of hope, but it is bad news indeed.
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I don't get how other vaccines are getting better efficacy with SA variant and are either same technology (Jansen vaccine) or are all basically making the protein spike to embolden the immune system.

Perhaps some previous immunity to something means the adenovirus AZ uses isn't able to do its job properly and infect muscle cells💁‍♂️
 
Janssen gets ~57% for SA variant, but the study was for moderate to severe disease. The AZ one didn't cover severe disease unless I read it wrong?


www.bmj.com

Covid-19: South Africa pauses use of Oxford vaccine after study casts doubt on efficacy against variant

Rollout of the Oxford-AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine in South Africa has been paused after a study in 2000 healthy and young volunteers reported that it did not protect against mild and moderate disease caused by the new variant (501Y.V2) that emerged there. The study, which has not been...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com
 
kimajy said:
Early doors it was but in January 2021 UK went way further than the Continent, because of the severity of its 2nd wave and impact of the UK variant no doubt. This variant is about to ravage Europe and the 3 month head start they could have had through vaccinations to counter this has, unfortunately, been largely frittered. The Astrazeneca, now shown to have been highly effective in the elderly against the UK (Kent) variant, is still sat in cold rooms. It was a major tactical error playing super-cautious over that ....
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All your posts sound so super-assured whereas I genuinely don't have a clue where any of this is heading. Who really does? Who actually knows which vaccines will work against X variants? Surely this is crystal ball stuff?
 
Even if these vaccines flop against new varients I feel we still need to open things up.
Hopefully the vaccines are the answer because if not then 2021 will be worse than 2020 mentally and financially
 
kimajy said:
They're easing up very slowly from next week but partying and any form of meeting indoors shouldn't be happening for months or we'll just end up with another surge. 3 mone months and they should hopefully have vaccinated enough people to ease up a lot, despite every best effort of the European Union to scupper our long suffered road to freedom. Europe didn't lock down hard or vaccinate well and they're all having a massive 3rd wave as a result right now.
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Seems overly cautious imo.

Just as a comparison since we’re very close in the vaccine game, over here in the US the colder states pretty much only have indoor capacity limits left (e.g. 50% indoor dining) and the warmer southern states removed all rules for the most part...packed clubs and all. We’ve kinda plateaued, but no crazy spikes. Hospital rates and deaths continue to drop.
 
Neo95gt said:
Seems overly cautious imo.

Just as a comparison since we’re very close in the vaccine game, over here in the US the colder states pretty much only have indoor capacity limits left (e.g. 50% indoor dining) and the warmer southern states removed all rules for the most part...packed clubs and all. We’ve kinda plateaued, but no crazy spikes. Hospital rates and deaths continue to drop.
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Good to see the US making improvements. Very much hoping uk and us travel will resume soon.
 
Tourist said:
All your posts sound so super-assured whereas I genuinely don't have a clue where any of this is heading. Who really does? Who actually knows which vaccines will work against X variants? Surely this is crystal ball stuff?
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The comment on the Kent variant and Astrazeneca I'm referring to is real-life UK study based on real-life cases, in which AZ was marginally more effective than even pfizer and extended to older age cohorts. That all came out just before the subsequent stink and vaccine pausing instigated by EU Governments now facing the inevitable wave from the UK variant taking hold in Europe.
 
Neo95gt said:
Seems overly cautious imo.

Just as a comparison since we’re very close in the vaccine game, over here in the US the colder states pretty much only have indoor capacity limits left (e.g. 50% indoor dining) and the warmer southern states removed all rules for the most part...packed clubs and all. We’ve kinda plateaued, but no crazy spikes. Hospital rates and deaths continue to drop.
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I think US has a higher risk tolerance and values commerce more than UK. We can't afford any more hard lockdowns - the coffers are bare.
 
noopets said:
Rarely check in on this thread nowadays but considering it’s an ibiza forum it’s the same bedwetters spreading constant fear!

What has happened to people’s optimistic party attitudes?! Seems like most have hung up their clubbing shoes for a life indoors FOREVER.
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er.... and where exactly do you suggest I wear my 'clubbing shoes'? Lidl? the garden shed? the local morgue?
 
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Crawleytown said:
Much rather domestic freedom and no foreign holiday this summer, rather than the other way around. It’s too much of a needless risk opening the borders this year imo.
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If we don't travel at all this summer....our favorite places will not exist next year.
Airlines, tourism, airports and thus whole economies rely on travel. It's not one or the other.
 
FlatErik said:
If we don't travel at all this summer....our favorite places will not exist next year.
Airlines, tourism, airports and thus whole economies rely on travel. It's not one or the other.
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and you still have people all over the socials 'I hope no one can travel this summer, its what got us into this mess' 🤦‍♂️I get some have genuine concern but to wish the world to stand still even longer than it is has is beyond my understanding. probably the people that do piss all year in year out anyway

we have a few booked for this year and are thinking about adding Tel Aviv to the list (free cancellation /flexible flight) Israel is looking a very promising option right now.
 
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