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FlatErik said:
off-guardian.org

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic

Here is our list of twelve medical experts whose opinions on the Coronavirus outbreak contradict the official narratives of the MSM, and the memes so prevalent on social media.
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Just gonna leave this very unpopular view here. I know everyone here prefers to keep hearing the same and whenever someone disagrees he apparently is 'a f***ing idiot' and even mods dont react to that..... but if you like a different perspective, this article is for you.
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I still enjoy the fact even a couple of weeks into this global pandemic you had the same extreme stance that everything was an over reaction and none of the measures were appropriate. Even quoting websites that rate as:
Overall, we rate OffGuardian a Strong Conspiracy and Moderate Pseudoscience website that also promotes Russian propaganda.

So you can see why people think you have an agenda when you come out with strong statements, have questionable sources even without lockdowns properly being in place and haven’t changed your stance at all throughout this.

still unsure why you really keep going to wind people up, do you really think you’ll change people’s minds with your manner? Or is it to drum up ‘lots’ more PMs of people on your side 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
AntonioGeordio said:
Im going to be totally honest here mate, and at risk of great ridicule etc, but I actually did believe that at the start 😬🤦‍♂️

Makes me sound like the most naive bloke ever now lol. Absolute sweet summer child 😄

I think I’m too optimistic in my outlook on life.

I genuinely thought a few weeks of lockdown would have it all sorted out and we’d all be back to normal. Cheers easy. I’ll just crack on now.

My other half was the polar opposite. End of the world etc. All going to die. Hell is coming. The end is nigh.

Cringe at myself now after the year we’ve all had 😑
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I drove past a local and could about 30 you g lads I know drinking on the last night pubs were open. Said to my Mrs I could not be arsed... Its only 3 weeks, that was March 😫
 
FlatErik said:
True, im not saying we should underestimate the virus itself.
Just be wary of any news that comes across now because there's so much 'fake news' going around.
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Haha yeah I know. Social media is now full with people that have friends and family that work in IC's, hospitals, etc.
And it seems like journalists are doing all they can to search for young people dying of the virus.
In the broader picture the people that die from the virus under 50 will represent a very...very...very small percentage at the end of this crisis.
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Springal said:
I still enjoy the fact even a couple of weeks into this global pandemic you had the same extreme stance that everything was an over reaction and none of the measures were appropriate. Even quoting websites that rate as:
Overall, we rate OffGuardian a Strong Conspiracy and Moderate Pseudoscience website that also promotes Russian propaganda.

So you can see why people think you have an agenda when you come out with strong statements, have questionable sources even without lockdowns properly being in place and haven’t changed your stance at all throughout this.

still unsure why you really keep going to wind people up, do you really think you’ll change people’s minds with your manner? Or is it to drum up ‘lots’ more PMs of people on your side 🤷🏽‍♂️
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It amuses me that in times I come up with non-questionable sources, such as a big German newspaper...or an award winning video on the Sweden approach...people dive into the history of this thread to confront me with an old cow.

Perhaps it is tough for the critics to find a platform for their content? Because the government is actively pushing the fear narrative. It was published here that talkshows and news outlets were actively approached by the government to not give room for criticism. I'm not saying this was a good article or quote...perhaps I was a bit too eager to post it, but that does not take away credibility on other stuff I post.

I'm not winding people up. If I can change one persons mind on a certain topic or let them look at the current situation differently...that makes it worth to me. I don't need people 'on my side'.
 
FlatErik said:
Perhaps it is tough for the critics to find a platform for their content? Because the government is actively pushing the fear narrative. It was published here that talkshows and news outlets were actively approached by the government to not give room for criticism. I'm not saying this was a good article or quote...perhaps I was a bit too eager to post it, but that does not take away credibility on other stuff I post.
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of course it does - my point is from the outset you had an agenda and you are willing to find any source of questionable intentions / credibility to back up that view point. And if you didn’t need ‘fans’ why mention the lots of PMs you get in support ?
 
FlatErik said:
It's not a conspiracy theory. It's not denial. It's not saying no one is sick or dying. It's not saying hospitals aren't full. It's not saying the variants are not real. But I truly believe the fact governments are actively trying to scare us by making things bigger and worse is real. Very real. And that is concerning to say the least.
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Do you think that's because if they didn't they'd have no chance of the general public complying with what they knew was necessary, such is the general resistance to compliance with Government intervention in respect of any matter in the West culturally it was essential to them hearts and minds bought into what they could not effectively police ? You may not like their methods (if those are true) but as the old adage goes, when needs must ....

The risk of any sort of behaviour of this sort getting seized on by anti-establishment types is that once trust is eroded it is very hard to reinstate. Just look at the Dominic Cummings debacle in UK. Perhaps Germany played their cards too soon in order to weather round 1 when they perhaps would have been better off saving their aces for rounds 2/3.
 
Please enlighten me what's wrong with these quotes. ESPECIALLY in the light of Germany today...showing the government was actively trying to make it look worse than it is. You're actually helping me quoting these old cows.
Just you warning on the dangers of fake news is like McDonalds warning of the dangerous of unhealthy food 😂
 
FlatErik said:
I'm not winding people up. If I can change one persons mind on a certain topic or let them look at the current situation differently...that makes it worth to me. I don't need people 'on my side'.
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I'm going to take you at face value and ask you to do the same.

The very good friends I have in the North London NHS, at the Barnet General and Royal Free hospitals, have never seen this before. They and their colleagues are collapsing under the cases of serious ill health from the Corona virus.

Do you think I'm lying? Are my friends?
 
So it seems The Netherlands are not that different from Germany...

On the 13th of January our National Institute of Public Health said that the British variant could be responsible for over 170.000 new contaminations every day from the beginning of February. This was published by all major newspapers.
They were just 166.000 contaminations wrong but who's counting. As long as everyone stays scared so they comply.
 
FlatErik said:
It amuses me that in times I come up with non-questionable sources, such as a big German newspaper...or an award winning video on the Sweden approach...people dive into the history of this thread to confront me with an old cow.

Perhaps it is tough for the critics to find a platform for their content?
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isn’t this contradictory? You’re telling us about major German newspaper with email leaks from the government encouraging fear porn, but then saying critics don’t have a platform. But even quoted the Toby Young who had a major newspaper column until he got reprimanded for his misleading covid column 🤷🏽‍♂️

You’re tying yourself in knots here 😂
 
Springal said:
isn’t this contradictory? You’re telling us about major German newspaper with email leaks from the government encouraging fear porn, but then saying critics don’t have a platform. But even quoted the Toby Young who had a major newspaper column until he got reprimanded for his misleading covid column 🤷🏽‍♂️

You’re tying yourself in knots here 😂
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You're trying to tie me in a knot, but it's not working pal.
The major German newspaper is from today. It's something very new and has not happened before. I've said this before, but there finally seems to be some space for criticism in main stream media.
 
Buckley said:
Why? Let's have your reason why you think absolutely every Government in the world have crippled their own economy, to enforce this?
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They collapsed their economy with the initial reaction and will never take responsibility for this so now they keep going with it. See my post with the timeline a page or three back.
 
FlatErik said:
They collapsed their economy with the initial reaction and will never take responsibility for this so now they keep going with it.
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Neither credible nor rational. They will not keep on crippling economies for month after month building up bigger and bigger problems indefinitely just because they are afraid someone might blame them, especially after adding up the economic cost of the first lockdown. It is very simple they are holding down rates to buy time to deploy the vaccine programme. There is no deep conspiracy required to rationalize the European approach. It is why the EU started panicking when it looked like vaccine supply delays were on the cards, they are all aware that EU countries are sitting on a pressure cooker and they need to pull their fingers out and get vaccinating en masse much more effectively.
 
kimajy said:
Neither credible nor rational. They will not keep on crippling economies for month after month building up bigger and bigger problems indefinitely just because they are afraid someone might blame them, especially after adding up the economic cost of the first lockdown. It is very simple they are holding down rates to buy time to deploy the vaccine programme. There is no deep conspiracy required to rationalize the European approach.
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All the governments will hope even though we are in lockdown for years, that we will have forgotten by the time next elections come round
 
kimajy said:
There is no deep conspiracy required to rationalize the European approach.
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This is where we agree. There is no deep conspiracy, nor collaboration. There is however a copy-cat induced stranglehold waiting for the big lighting rod...the vaccins.
 
FlatErik said:
There is however a copy-cat induced stranglehold waiting for the big lighting rod...the vaccins.
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... which to be honest I think is fair enough and actually the rational thing to do. Now they need to get going much more effectively and get those jabs in arms. Criticism and resistance to measures will subside once people see tangible rapid progress on that. Until then Governments will do what they feel they have to in order to buy the time they need for their objective. Might increase uptake too once people realize they aren't getting their freedom back until enough people have the jab !

I believe it was pointed out today that vaccine uptake in the highest risk groups in UK is already 95% ? That's astonishing, much of the 5% will likely be people with reasons they ought not to risk it right now. That's what happens after 11 months of self-imposed shielding !!!
 
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