☣ Coronavirus ☣

[2H76]

what a mess

Ibiza was one of the best spots on earth , now its opposite.

Maybe the new kind of virus ( brazilian version ) ?

The Isle of Wight was in tier 1 in November/early Dec with about 25 cases/100k; last time I looked it was 778. What this means to me is that even if we get all areas down to 25 or lower, the rates will simply shoot up again so we will never get out of lockdown unless everyone's vaxxed and it works. We're fooked.

 

[FlatErik]

The Isle of Wight was in tier 1 in November/early Dec with about 25 cases/100k; last time I looked it was 778. What this means to me is that even if we get all areas down to 25 or lower, the rates will simply shoot up again so we will never get out of lockdown unless everyone's vaxxed and it works. We're fooked.

Every time I say this I get ridiculed and people are shouting: lockdowns work! masks work!
They just don't. All measures are a temporary halt to something we can't control. If vaccines weren't created relatively quickly governments would probably decide to let it all go or mass public disobedience (something we're already seeing in Italy, Poland and Switzerland) would have been the only way out.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

The Isle of Wight was in tier 1 in November/early Dec with about 25 cases/100k; last time I looked it was 778. What this means to me is that even if we get all areas down to 25 or lower, the rates will simply shoot up again so we will never get out of lockdown unless everyone's vaxxed and it works. We're fooked.

Or forever close schools ?‍.

I suspect schools closed until summer at which point either say school holidays are not anymore, or wait until sept when go back (when everyone should have been offered 1st jab)

 

[feynman]

Or forever close schools ?‍.

I suspect schools closed until summer at which point either say school holidays are not anymore, or wait until sept when go back (when everyone should have been offered 1st jab)

schools out forever

 

[2H76]

Or forever close schools ?‍.

I suspect schools closed until summer at which point either say school holidays are not anymore, or wait until sept when go back (when everyone should have been offered 1st jab)

Schools are a huge problem to solve - including 16 - 18 colleges. Think the whole calendar and school day will need throwing out and starting again, having pupils returning gradually and on some kind of rota system until the corrolation between kids in school/cases is established. But that puts teachers in a fix, they can't be in school individally working AND doing stuff on-line unless lessons are "piped" to half/ 2/3rds the class; which I suppose is possible.

On a wider scale, maybe they could throw out their plans and keep kids off yet open up safer hospitality venues (they did the reverse, and look what happened) with strict rules on capacity, distancing and so on.

 

[FlatErik]

Do any of you have school-going kids and know how this is for them?
And do you really think schools are the fire starter for the virus to show itself again and again after measures get lifted?

I agree it's a tough problem to solve, but closing schools any longer is gonna be damaging our children in various ways.

 

[4tothefloor]

Every time I say this I get ridiculed and people are shouting: lockdowns work! masks work!
They just don't. All measures are a temporary halt to something we can't control. If vaccines weren't created relatively quickly governments would probably decide to let it all go or mass public disobedience (something we're already seeing in Italy, Poland and Switzerland) would have been the only way out.

Lockdowns do work. They are a temporary solution. This shows how hospitalisations in the U.K. during lockdown #1 and how they reduced. It also shows how hospitalisations increased as the lockdown was eased.



The only way of achieving a long term solution is by vaccinating everyone. Here you can see how vaccinations are increasing in the U.K.

Interventions and restrictions will be required until a sufficient number of people are vaccinated. That will include a lockdown at present because infection rates are so high. Restrictions can be reduced when hospitalisations are manageable and the government judge that we have reached a rate of morality that the public will accept in return for greater freedom.

The top 4 priority groups in the U.K. are responsible for two thirds of deaths. After they are vaccinated we may see a loosening of restrictions. But we still need to reduce infection rates further because one third of deaths are not caused by these groups and vaccine efficacy is 70-94% depending on which you get, hence restrictions and vaccinations will be required for all. Here are the hospitalisation age groups in the U.K. Its not a pretty picture

 

[Hally]

Every time I say this I get ridiculed and people are shouting: lockdowns work! masks work!
They just don't. All measures are a temporary halt to something we can't control. If vaccines weren't created relatively quickly governments would probably decide to let it all go or mass public disobedience (something we're already seeing in Italy, Poland and Switzerland) would have been the only way out.

I have wondered what would have happened in the vaccine had taken 4 or 5 years. Some variation of shielding the vulnerable I imagine, would have been messy

Very thankful for the vaccines, now just ??? it all works it practice

 

[Springal]

Don't fall into the trap of replying .... if you try and ask him to back up his statements he ignores you and comes back a few days later peddling the same mis-information.

☣ Coronavirus ☣

Sitting in one of the big regional vaccination centres with my mum. Must be 100 people waiting, cant be one under 80. It's very regional - down here they are still struggling to get the over 90s done I think !! Doesn't help the centre allocated to the local GP surgery patients is more than 20...

forum.ibiza-spotlight.com

 

[MrHullMysterious]

Can't believe uk having 1k deaths a day since 10th January. That is date of death, not date of reporting, which is 1800 today. ?

Least vaccination numbers up over 300k a day again. Suspect weekends will be lower numbers and some areas running out of people to vaccinate in current priority group.

 

[CraigyB]

Every time I say this I get ridiculed and people are shouting: lockdowns work! masks work!
They just don't. All measures are a temporary halt to something we can't control. If vaccines weren't created relatively quickly governments would probably decide to let it all go or mass public disobedience (something we're already seeing in Italy, Poland and Switzerland) would have been the only way out.

Vaccines were created though so lockdowns were unfortunately necessary to buy time and protect people.

The sacrifices everyone has had to make during lockdowns was only ever to protect lifes and health care systems from being overwhelmed. They were never stated as being anything other than temp measures.

Outbreak in work at the moment - 25 cases and very difficult to contain with new variant. Its transmitting even with everyone wearing masks but would clearly be even worse without them.

 

[Hally]

Can't believe uk having 1k deaths a day since 10th January. That is date of death, not date of reporting, which is 1800 today. ?

Least vaccination numbers up over 300k a day again. Suspect weekends will be lower numbers and some areas running out of people to vaccinate in current priority group.

Just waiting for the daily number to start with a 2 ☹

 

[2H76]

Although (UK) today's case numbers are higher than yesterday, they are lower than last weeks so the trend continues downwards. But that deaths number is staggeringly high, and I assume will continue to be so for at least three more weeks until the lag kicks in.

 

[Browny]

Tory donor Lord Ashcroft’s outsourcing firm lands £350m vaccination contract

Medacs Healthcare is part of a group whose largest shareholder is Michael Ashcroft – who has given millions to the Conservatives.

www.opendemocracy.net

Could’t help themselves?

 

[kimajy]

400 new cases in just 24hrs here on the island. absolutely crazy numbers and a healthy 30 year old person has died too.

??

I'm sorry to say it but the droves of anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers and conspiracy theorists on the island will not understand or believe the realities of this virus until there are body bags piling up outside the door of Can Misses and their friends are denied urgent treatment for other illnesses or accidents because there is no room.

 

[lee111s]

Just waiting for the daily number to start with a 2 ☹

I’m hoping we won’t get there. Cases look to have peaked on December 29th and we’re now 3 weeks and a day post that, so this week I expect and hope to see peak deaths (by date of death, not reporting date). Fingers crossed from next week we start to see the numbers come down, but we know it’s not going to drop off a cliff, it’ll be a slowe decline with many tens of thousands still going to die.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1351926285161922564

 

[djedwardsmith]

Every time I say this I get ridiculed and people are shouting: lockdowns work! masks work!
They just don't. All measures are a temporary halt to something we can't control. If vaccines weren't created relatively quickly governments would probably decide to let it all go or mass public disobedience (something we're already seeing in Italy, Poland and Switzerland) would have been the only way out.

No, every time you say something like that you get corrected by several people who highlight that lockdowns are designed to supress transmission. Nothing more, nothing less.

You then ignore all of those people correcting you until you come along in a few days and say the same thing over again. This is like the fourth wave of your rubbish coming out now.

 

[CorMc]

And me ?

and me!

 

[stivi]

I'm sorry to say it but the droves of anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers and conspiracy theorists on the island will not understand or believe the realities of this virus until there are body bags piling up outside the door of Can Misses and their friends are denied urgent treatment for other illnesses or accidents because there is no room.

you are on point sadly

 

[JayDR8]

No, every time you say something like that you get corrected by several people who highlight that lockdowns are designed to supress transmission. Nothing more, nothing less.

You then ignore all of those people correcting you until you come along in a few days and say the same thing over again. This is like the fourth wave of your rubbish coming out now.

There is a man that doesn't understand exponential growth, or anything in fact.