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4tothefloor said:
Awful numbers. Worse than those anywhere in the U.K. at any point but is not getting the media traction.

To what extent do you have restrictions in place? I know it was particularly harsh during the first wave.
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lots of restrictions now
- big surface shops closed
- restaurants & bars shut (take away and delivery only)
- gyms & spas shut
- 10pm curfew (which might come down to 8pm possibly)
- we can't meet anyone outside the family unit. so no visiting anyone. the only way we are currently allowed to still see friends is meeting them outdoors and go for a hike (max 6 people for that and with 1.5m distance between people that don't live together)

I had very little expectations regarding this winter (basically because I expected it would come as it now has happened) and I'm doing better mentally because we can still go outdoors
 
stivi said:
lots of restrictions now
- big surface shops closed
- restaurants & bars shut (take away and delivery only)
- gyms & spas shut
- 10pm curfew (which might come down to 8pm possibly)
- we can't meet anyone outside the family unit. so no visiting anyone. the only way we are currently allowed to still see friends is meeting them outdoors and go for a hike (max 6 people for that and with 1.5m distance between people that don't live together)

I had very little expectations regarding this winter (basically because I expected it would come as it now has happened) and I'm doing better mentally because we can still go outdoors
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Are schools still open? Anecdotal, but uk numbers come down a lot quicker in lockdown 3 compared to 2 with schools shut.
 
stivi said:
lots of restrictions now
- big surface shops closed
- restaurants & bars shut (take away and delivery only)
- gyms & spas shut
- 10pm curfew (which might come down to 8pm possibly)
- we can't meet anyone outside the family unit. so no visiting anyone. the only way we are currently allowed to still see friends is meeting them outdoors and go for a hike (max 6 people for that and with 1.5m distance between people that don't live together)

I had very little expectations regarding this winter (basically because I expected it would come as it now has happened) and I'm doing better mentally because we can still go outdoors
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Not dissimilar to here then except we don’t have a curfew and schools are shut but we can only meet one other person outside. I’m surprised it’s been allowed to generate numbers like that without harsher restrictions earlier. Look after yourself and keep focussed on the vaccine.
 
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4tothefloor said:
Not dissimilar to here then except we don’t have a curfew but can’t only meet one other person outside. I’m surprised it’s been allowed to generate numbers like that without harsher restrictions earlier. Look after yourself and keep focussed on the vaccine.
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well obvs the numbers came after the christmas holidays during which different rules were valid. we threw the entire good situation away (for which we had endured restrictions in november) within two weeks between 24th dec and 6th jan
 
Hally said:
It is all around the world
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I know that mate it’s impossible that it’s not! My point was that a vaccine passport should not be used because countries are trying to prevent this strain entering!

Big up for all your doing pal, glad your mum is on the mend too ?
 
BenH said:
That’s a fair point. But is the yellow fever vax a new unproven tech of which the long term outcomes are unknown? I was also of the impression that is currently unclear if the vax stops you been infected or transmitting infection?
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Yellow Fever vax is actually a live vaccine which is why only specialist clinics are allowed to give it. I've got no issue with vaccine passports - provided we have access to private clinics to go get vaccinated and don't have to fit in around the postcode and age lottery that is a national health response !
 
kimajy said:
Yellow Fever vax is actually a live vaccine which is why only specialist clinics are allowed to give it. I've got no issue with vaccine passports - provided we have access to private clinics to go get vaccinated and don't have to fit in around the postcode and age lottery that is a national health response !
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thanks for the education on yellow fever vax.
I respect your view regarding the passport and I think your wish for a properly planned vaccination roll is fair.
My view regarding the vax passports is that they are using it to blackmail folk and it’s not right!
 
BenH said:
I know that mate it’s impossible that it’s not! My point was that a vaccine passport should not be used because countries are trying to prevent this strain entering!

Big up for all your doing pal, glad your mum is on the mend too ?
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Wrong end of stick ? ignore me, crappy day

Thanks mate
 
BenH said:
My view regarding the vax passports is that they are using it to blackmail folk and it’s not right!
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When I lived in Africa in the 1970s and '80s Cholera vaccinations were mandatory in addition to Yellow Fever - you were not allowed to enter the country without them. I did have the YF as it was once every 10 years but the Cholera jab only lasted 6 months. Our family doctor out there thought they were a waste of time for people living in the city and boiling their water. So he used to just sign the vaccine cards that we'd had them before we left in order that our vaccinations were current when we came back in from holiday. I can see a tonne of foreign doctors doing similar for this, and probably a few in UK too !
 
There will be zero tourism if that is enforced. Heading to Teneriffa and all is needed is PCR withing 72 hours which is payed by provider of journey. Think Ibiza will have the same really.
 
See the Israelis are saying that the Pfizer vaccine is only 33% effective in the over 60s after one dose as opposed to the 89% reported by uk scientists. That’s with real world data too, not clinical trial data. So now we could have millions walking round for three months before second dose with only a third of the vaccines potential protection. Is the UK going to mess this up as well?
the Israelis are just following the suppliers instructions and giving the second dose after 3 weeks- though they have more vaccine than uk.
 
NilSatis said:
See the Israelis are saying that the Pfizer vaccine is only 33% effective in the over 60s after one dose as opposed to the 89% reported by uk scientists. That’s with real world data too, not clinical trial data. So now we could have millions walking round for three months before second dose with only a third of the vaccines potential protection. Is the UK going to mess this up as well?
the Israelis are just following the suppliers instructions and giving the second dose after 3 weeks- though they have more vaccine than uk.
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There is only the UK government that would and could go against the manufacturers instructions!
Just do the thing properly or not at all for Christ sake!
Why were these vaccine centres not set up pre vax?
They are an absolute shambles from start to finish!
 
NilSatis said:
See the Israelis are saying that the Pfizer vaccine is only 33% effective in the over 60s after one dose as opposed to the 89% reported by uk scientists. That’s with real world data too, not clinical trial data. So now we could have millions walking round for three months before second dose with only a third of the vaccines potential protection. Is the UK going to mess this up as well?
the Israelis are just following the suppliers instructions and giving the second dose after 3 weeks- though they have more vaccine than uk.
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The story I seen regarding the low percentage was when they calculated efficacy from day 1-21 and of it is well known there is almost no protection before day 10.

From day 11-21 the efficacy was shown to be over 80%.
 
Kline said:
There will be zero tourism if that is enforced.
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I would have no problem with that, since I am going to get the vaccine anyway when it becomes available to the non-priority general population.

1-2 jabs is much less inconvenient than taking a PCR test every time you travel.

Plus there is one huge positive thing for Ibiza about this plan: it will allow clubbing in the 2021 season! With the local population vaccinated to 70% and all visitors to 100%, there would be no need to have anything closed down due to the virus.
 
lee111s said:
The story I seen regarding the low percentage was when they calculated efficacy from day 1-21 and of it is well known there is almost no protection before day 10.

From day 11-21 the efficacy was shown to be over 80%.
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You may be right. Although That’s not how I interpreted the story - on sky news app tonight, if interested
 
tclubber said:
I would have no problem with that, since I am going to get the vaccine anyway when it becomes available to the non-priority general population.

1-2 jabs is much less inconvenient than taking a PCR test every time you travel.

Plus there is one huge positive thing for Ibiza about this plan: it will allow clubbing in the 2021 season! With the local population vaccinated to 70% and all visitors to 100%, there would be no need to have anything closed down due to the virus.
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Time is nit just on the side to do this sorry. Vaccine is just not really on point until q3 2021.
 
By summer this year, only people above the age of 50 or so will have got their two jabs - and will be allowed to visit Ibiza.

There'll only be people above 50 in the clubs. ?
 
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