☣ Coronavirus ☣

[MrHullMysterious]

Keep believing the world governments! ?

You that russian troll guy?

USA about to hit 180,000 deaths. Fake, it's all GCI on a sound stage on the moon.

India deaths going up and increasing. Also fake.

Brazil deaths still going up at around 1,000+ a day. Fake.

Its just a cold remember.?

I guess mental illness is prevalent and so shouldn't be angry they lack the capacity to grasp or cope with reality.



Here's what the inimitable Carl Sagan wrote:

“Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness."

Edit book link: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Yz8Y6KfXf9UC&lpg=PT48&dq="I+have+a+foreboding+of+an+America"&pg=PT48&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q="I have a foreboding of an America"&f=false

 

[Gingersolstice]

It's horrible news if they will do the same the Netherlands is planning to do.

If you test positive....(again, lots of articles to be found that PCR test can have false positives such as Rhino virus or other flu viruses instead of Covid).....they will ENFORCE a 14 day quarantine on you.

So you go to Ibiza, come back, test positive (for whatever reason, could be you had Covid before ibiza..could be you had something else whatever) and then you have to go in quarantine in your own country in risk of a huge fine.

Obligatory tests at the airports and quarantine will definitely NOT save Ibiza or tourism in general.

Why would they fine you if you tested postive upon arrival in your country of residence?

 

[MrHullMysterious]

It's horrible news if they will do the same the Netherlands is planning to do.

If you test positive....(again, lots of articles to be found that PCR test can have false positives such as Rhino virus or other flu viruses instead of Covid).....they will ENFORCE a 14 day quarantine on you.

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Even the rapid 90 minute test (ideal for airports) has 100% specificity.

So what tests are you referring to? Ones where we use chicken legs thrown on the floor? ?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍?‍

90 minute COVID-19 tests: Government orders 5.8 million DnaNudge kits | Imperial News | Imperial College London

The government has placed a £161 million order for 5.8 million high-speed DnaNudge COVID-19 test kits to be used in NHS hospitals from September.

www.imperial.ac.uk

 

[FlatErik]

Actual knowledge is subjective. Everyone can be biased and in these times...the world governments and Mainstream Media are not giving you the objective image.

Never said the deaths didn't happen. Never said the virus is fake.

I'm just looking at the current hospital and death numbers in most European countries...and my conclusion is we are being tricked to keep these measures (perhaps even lockdown areas or whole countries again) with false assumptions until a vaccin is here because they already have spent too much money and political image on that solution.

Feel free to agree or disagree, but to call it complete idiocy. ... Ah well we already had that phase in this thread, I don't feel adressed by it at all.
It seems the whole world (and so this forum too) can be divided into two groups now. The people that stay scared until they get a needle in their arm and the people that choose to live now.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

Why would they fine you if you tested postive upon arrival in your country of residence?

Because it's a government conspiracy to increase revenue... I feel someone been sniffing too much glue or something ?

 

[FlatErik]

Why would they fine you if you tested postive upon arrival in your country of residence?

I wrote: Quarantine in risk of a fine.
A law is in the making that after a positive test...if they check on you...and you are not quarantining they will fine you for a few thousands of euros.
If that law has passed...people will not risk going on holiday at all.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

Actual knowledge is subjective. Everyone can be biased and in these times...the world governments and Mainstream Media are not giving you the objective image.

Never said the deaths didn't happen. Never said the virus is fake.

I'm just looking at the current hospital and death numbers in most European countries...and my conclusion is we are being tricked to keep these measures (perhaps even lockdown areas or whole countries again) with false assumptions until a vaccin is here because they already have spent too much money and political image on that solution.

Feel free to agree or disagree, but to call it complete idiocy. ... Ah well we already had that phase in this thread, I don't feel adressed by it at all.
It seems the whole world (and so this forum too) can be divided into two groups now. The people that stay scared until they get a needle in their arm and the people that choose to live now.

Do you not even understand they are trying to keep them low because even with great care it's going to take off again in winter.

So starting from a low base is key to shit not hitting the fan. Why you think russia rushing their vaccine through. Cause their health system is struggling already!

You're a dangerous person spouting fiction as fact which will in the long run cause great harm.

The governments around the world would love normal back as the economy is king for them. So sacrificing it for health must tell you how serious they think things are.

Demented.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

Actual knowledge is subjective

Go and understand what science is.

Saying that is how authoritarian governments past and present sow doubt and use it to control the population.

See: book burning for example ?‍

 

[Gingersolstice]

I wrote: Quarantine in risk of a fine.
A law is in the making that after a positive test...if they check on you...and you are not quarantining they will fine you for a few thousands of euros.
If that law has passed...people will not risk going on holiday at all.

Ah I see, if you brake the quarantine rules. Well if it's the only way I get to travel and not have to quarantine if negative, I'd take the test. So are you saying you won't travel if you have to have the test upon arrive to holiday destination or your home country?

 

[FlatErik]

Do you not even understand they are trying to keep them low because even with great care it's going to take off again in winter.

So starting from a low base is key to shit not hitting the fan. Why you think russia rushing their vaccine through. Cause their health system is struggling already!

You're a dangerous person spouting fiction as fact which will in the long run cause great harm.

The governments around the world would love normal back as the economy is king for them. So sacrificing it for health must tell you how serious they think things are.

Demented.

We disagree and have a different view on what our governments are doing to us and the economy. And that's fine.

I can only speak for the Netherlands...and perhaps a bit for countries around us, and if the governments would love normal back they would have been able to bring that back already. Bit by bit. But they haven't. And they are now using different numbers than they did before. Our hospitals are pretty much empty in terms of Covid patients compared to march. There are doctors banging their heads against the wall because they have found different types of medication that might help...but no one wants to hear them. The vaccin is the holy grail. It's a typical case of tunnel vision / confirmation bias. Until then...the economy and the well being of people can rot.

 

[FlatErik]

Ah I see, if you brake the quarantine rules. Well if it's the only way I get to travel and not have to quarantine if negative, I'd take the test. So are you saying you won't travel if you have to have the test upon arrive to holiday destination or your home country?

Yes.
Because the test can be positive for a number of reasons.
1. I HAVE Covid. Well that's a good reason to go in Quarantine...I was just in a plane with 300 others, but hey..I'll do it.
2. I HAVE HAD Covid. No one knows when. I have no symptoms....I cannot call in sick for something I dont feel at this moment. But I need to go in quarantine? My employer won't pay those 10-14 days, so now a week in Ibiza will cost me 3 weeks of vacation days?!
3. I HAVE or HAD Rhino virus or another strain of something and it is a false positive. Again..14 days of quarantine.

So if obligatory testing is part on arrival back is part of recreational travel in the future....yes tourism will suffer greatly.

 

[Michael1982]

The truth of today is...that the virus is showing very mild symptoms to people under 80 and/or without underlying conditions.
The truth of today is that a positive PCR test only shows you have had A virus, could be any virus, not the coronavirus per se. You can find multiple articles on that. Governments are now actively misusing those PCR numbers to lengthen measures.

Like @2H76 says...it's not even about being in your twenties, thirties, forties, fifties or sixties anymore. You are alive NOW. All that matters is this moment and the weeks without having fun or quality in your life are just passing by while your government tells you to wait for a vaccin.
We are being tricked. I'm not a conspiracy theorist....I do believe the virus is here and was here in a heavier strain but I also believe it's mild now. I don't believe it's a government trick or new world order stuff....but I do believe politicians and governments will loose their reputation and their votes if they would change their direction now. So they will keep us scared with new types of statistics to keep up their strategy so the public won't see the millions of vaccin money has been a waste. Once the majority is injected with a useless vaccin they will say: see, we solved this. And the economic crisis was inevitable. While in reality they solved nothing and the crisis could have been less worse (see Sweden).

In the meantime people have committed suicide out of depression, not being able to be intimate with their friends and family, people have not been able to visit their elderly, people have lost their jobs, the entire nightlife industry is on it's last breath.

We only have a very short time on this globe. And in a few years we will look back and realize this overreaction and politics after that will have stolen a year or two of that short time. And that's terrible.

I really really want to believe what you are saying and that everything is not so bad and that by some miracle, this will all be over all of a sudden and we can all go dance and party again (trust me, anytime I've had a couple of drinks lately, my feet start itching. I need to have a night dancing BAD).

However, even though you say you're not a conspiracy theorist, you claim governments are making stuff up to cover the fact they were/are supposedly wrong? Sorry, but that is actually exactly what a conspiracy theory is.

And regarding that, it's like the moon landing. It would simply take too many people to cover that up. Sometimes, the boring answer unfortunately is the correct one, even though we are trained through movies/TV to look for the plot twist...

I'm not a scientist, I really have now clue about the virus or what measures work and which ones are an overreaction.

But over 5.000 deaths worldwide each day seems pretty bad to me (yes, some deaths could be counted wrong, but I guess just as many in developing countries could not be counted at all) and therefore I listen to people who do know more about what could potentially help to get this under control (scientists). And yes, I fully acknowledge the fact that they do not always have the correct answer either, but chances that they are right are higher.

Again, I badly want to believe that this is over soon (and maybe it is?). Also, in my opinion it's fully acceptable to disagree on what measures work and which ones don't and to learn new stuff about this virus and change one's opinion.

But getting caught up in conspiracy theories is not only not helping, but actually dangerous (literally).

Sorry for rambling... as you were.

 

[FlatErik]

I really really want to believe what you are saying and that everything is not so bad and that by some miracle, this will all be over all of a sudden and we can all go dance and party again (trust me, anytime I've had a couple of drinks lately, my feet start itching. I need to have a night dancing BAD).

However, even though you say you're not a conspiracy theorist, you claim governments are making stuff up to cover the fact they were/are supposedly wrong? Sorry, but that is actually exactly what a conspiracy theory is.

Appreciate the reply.
Not saying they are making stuff up. Here in the Netherlands it's pretty clear and I'm definitely not the only one addressing this.
We have gone from flattening the curve of IC patients....to regular hospital patients....now too infections, but those 'infections' are positive PCR tests and are not saying anything. Actually a professional football player here was tested positive after playing a 90 minute professional game. Wow...deadly virus huh?

So what the governments is covering up is that the virus is now a milder strain (confirmed by national expert but ignored by our government) and that we are not keeping up measures for IC beds anymore...we are now in this situations because they just started counting different numbers.
I feel that's a trick. And the only reason I can think of why they would pull this off is because they would lose everything if they would do a 180 now and say: "it's actually going pretty good...IC beds are empty...hospitals are empty...the people that do seem to get infected (positive PCR) have mild or no symptoms at all. We might even be building up herd immunity"

Instead they keep relying on a vaccin...why is that? Money.

 

[MrHullMysterious]

Common cold won’t cause a false positive COVID-19 test

Sometimes social media posts blatantly share misinformation about the coronavirus. Other times, it’s implied. An image c

www.politifact.com

Having a common cold does not produce a positive test for COVID-19

CLAIM: If your coronavirus test comes back positive, it may be because you have a common cold, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Posts sharing this claim are mistaking CDC guidance on antibody tests as CDC guidance on tests for the virus. A...

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Rhinovirus ~= common cold.

 

[FlatErik]

One other thing.
Keeping nightlife, clubs, festivals shut is just plain studipity.

There are so many illegal raves. From small in living rooms to big in forests...all over Europe and the world I suppose.
If you would just open up nightlife with registration, temp checks, first aid professionals on site...it would be safer in light of the virus and in light of lots of other dangerous stuff happening.

 

[Michael1982]

Appreciate the reply.
Not saying they are making stuff up. Here in the Netherlands it's pretty clear and I'm definitely not the only one addressing this.
We have gone from flattening the curve of IC patients....to regular hospital patients....now too infections, but those 'infections' are positive PCR tests and are not saying anything. Actually a professional football player here was tested positive after playing a 90 minute professional game. Wow...deadly virus huh?

So what the governments is covering up is that the virus is now a milder strain (confirmed by national expert but ignored by our government) and that we are not keeping up measures for IC beds anymore...we are now in this situations because they just started counting different numbers.
I feel that's a trick. And the only reason I can think of why they would pull this off is because they would lose everything if they would do a 180 now and say: "it's actually going pretty good...IC beds are empty...hospitals are empty...the people that do seem to get infected (positive PCR) have mild or no symptoms at all. We might even be building up herd immunity"

Instead they keep relying on a vaccin...why is that? Money.

Another reason could just simply be that they don't yet know 100% and would rather be safe than sorry?

Perhaps there is a milder strain of the virus (would be awesome!) but I think it is more likely that this thing in Europe is still under control (more or less) BECAUSE of the measures still in place (which to be honest are much better than they were in the beginning).

I think governments are more scared of the fact that if they lifted more measures, it could spiral out of control quickly than they are scared to lose face because perhaps they were wrong. I think they could think of ways to relax measures and therefore help out their beloved economy without "admitting they were wrong".

 

[Gingersolstice]

Yes.
Because the test can be positive for a number of reasons.
1. I HAVE Covid. Well that's a good reason to go in Quarantine...I was just in a plane with 300 others, but hey..I'll do it.
2. I HAVE HAD Covid. No one knows when. I have no symptoms....I cannot call in sick for something I dont feel at this moment. But I need to go in quarantine? My employer won't pay those 10-14 days, so now a week in Ibiza will cost me 3 weeks of vacation days?!
3. I HAVE or HAD Rhino virus or another strain of something and it is a false positive. Again..14 days of quarantine.

So if obligatory testing is part on arrival back is part of recreational travel in the future....yes tourism will suffer greatly.

Well I thought it was a tiny glimmer of hope for future travel, thanks for pissing on my bonfire @ElrowLovers ?

 

[AntonioGeordio]

Would have loved to have a beer and chat some sh*t had I known you were there! (although the state I was in, don't know how much sense I would have made... ?)

Here's to the next time we all can let loose and feel like that again!

Same mate ? (was also in a state as well though?)

I was hoping to actually meet up with some other spotlighters in Ibiza this summer.

I still think there should be a Spotlight gathering one weekend in Ibiza next year if things get going ?

 

[Springal]

One other thing.
Keeping nightlife, clubs, festivals shut is just plain studipity.

There are so many illegal raves. From small in living rooms to big in forests...all over Europe and the world I suppose.
If you would just open up nightlife with registration, temp checks, first aid professionals on site...it would be safer in light of the virus and in light of lots of other dangerous stuff happening.

But of course we've already seen huge spikes in tourist locations with lax attitudes to night clubs etc. So unless everyone going to these events then quarantines after it is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[FlatErik]

But of course we've already seen huge spikes in tourist locations with lax attitudes to night clubs etc. So unless everyone going to these events then quarantines after it is a disaster waiting to happen.

True.
But imho keeping nightlife shut has a worse effect than opening up with regulations.