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But this virus is only here to affect the working class. The rich and the posh are immune to it...
Not far off. The "poor" with a poor diet, added to smoking, drinking, lack of exercise, maybe long working hours and all that kick off with a disadvantage over those who have private health care, gym memberships, quality food etc etc. Think that has been proved in the figures, and the lower you go down the chain - ie to workers cramped together in pitiful conditions the more Covid cases/deaths there are.
 
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We were talking about the difference between lock down and no lockdown. Sweden did better than lots of places that locked down. So how can you say lockdown worked? That was my point.

Sweden (population 10 millions) did NOT better if you compare with Switzerland (population 8.5 millions)
Swiss cases: 34.000. Deaths: 1975.
Sweden cases: 78.600. Deaths: 5667.
 
Sweden (population 10 millions) did NOT better if you compare with Switzerland (population 8.5 millions)
Swiss cases: 34.000. Deaths: 1975.
Sweden cases: 78.600. Deaths: 5667.
What’s the significance of Switzerland here? Or we just gonna cherry pick any country that supports our arguments? Cos we can do that for both sides quite easily.

however there are lots of other factors at play too. For example. The use of hydroxychloroquine...
 

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There was something else Chris Whitty said during the same meeting which I found interesting.

He was asked if he thinks the vaccine should be mandatory and said

“We may well get a vaccine that in any case protects the individual but has no benefit to society – it’s simply to protect the individual.

“In which case, it’s entirely a matter of choice as to whether someone wishes to be protected against this very potentially significant disease.”

Reading between the lines to me suggests based on the evidence he has seen about the vaccine trials they have been able to reduce the chance of severe illness or death but they have yet to produce a vaccine which prevents infection and spreading.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/c...s-vaccine-compulsory-christmas-142310083.html
 
What’s the significance of Switzerland here? Or we just gonna cherry pick any country that supports our arguments? Cos we can do that for both sides quite easily.

however there are lots of other factors at play too. For example. The use of hydroxychloroquine...

there was an article two months ago comparing both countries and trying to say sweden was doing better.
 
Not far off. The "poor" with a poor diet, added to smoking, drinking, lack of exercise, maybe long working hours and all that kick off with a disadvantage over those who have private health care, gym memberships, quality food etc etc. Think that has been proved in the figures, and the lower you go down the chain - ie to workers cramped together in pitiful conditions the more Covid cases/deaths there are.
Same can be said for most conditions/diseases
 
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From what I gather reading up and watching parts of the exchange, he is basically saying the partial lockdown in uk before 23rd was already reducing the R rate. Not what some are implying that the virus was dying out "naturally".

Additionally the lockdown on 23rd while hard did get the R value down faster. After all look at current infection/admission/death rates now we are opening up. Bumping around the same rate and infections creeping up slightly. (Do remember the horse races and liverpool match which where super spreader events at all btw?)

It does read you are trying to push a narrative of it's been blown out of proportion and no need for lockdowns/restrictions; just have a word with Brazil's grave diggers who can't keep up (or in some parts of africa too!). Maybe that isn't your intent, but it does read that way to me?‍♂️
 
if you genuinely believe this has all been exaggerated then you are an attention-seeking psychopath. Millions of lives have been saved. Medical staff were exhausted. my mum was stuck indoors alone for 4 months and suffered real depression but at no point did she blame the Sp government, or health staff who were absolute heroes.
 
From what I gather reading up and watching parts of the exchange, he is basically saying the partial lockdown in uk before 23rd was already reducing the R rate. Not what some are implying that the virus was dying out "naturally".

Additionally the lockdown on 23rd while hard did get the R value down faster. After all look at current infection/admission/death rates now we are opening up. Bumping around the same rate and infections creeping up slightly. (Do remember the horse races and liverpool match which where super spreader events at all btw?)

It does read you are trying to push a narrative of it's been blown out of proportion and no need for lockdowns/restrictions; just have a word with Brazil's grave diggers who can't keep up (or in some parts of africa too!). Maybe that isn't your intent, but it does read that way to me?‍♂️
No I’m simply offering data that has been showing another side to all this.

as for you example. Brazil, no lockdown, Peru (Brazil’s neighbour) strict lockdown.

Not a great difference in the efficacy of the lockdown

Tourist, call all the names you want pal. I think it’s clear who’s acting like a psycopath with personal attacks. I’m simply presenting data. Collected by scientists. if that upsets you just stop reading it?
 

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if you genuinely believe this has all been exaggerated then you are an attention-seeking psychopath. Millions of lives have been saved. Medical staff were exhausted. my mum was stuck indoors alone for 4 months and suffered real depression but at no point did she blame the Sp government, or health staff who were absolute heroes.
At which point have I said the health staff aren’t heroes? They’re great. We’re very lucky to have them. But the truth is almost all of my friends who work in the NHS had their hours reduced April to July because the hospitals were under occupied. Some bad outbreaks in big cities, definitely. Not denying that at all. Millions of lives saved? I don’t think so, countries that didn’t lockdown prove that theory wrong
 
At which point have I said the health staff aren’t heroes? They’re great. We’re very lucky to have them. But the truth is almost all of my friends who work in the NHS had their hours reduced April to July because the hospitals were under occupied. Some bad outbreaks in big cities, definitely. Not denying that at all. Millions of lives saved? I don’t think so, countries that didn’t lockdown prove that theory wrong

show me a comparable densely populated city to Barcelona that didn't apply lockdown? I'd be very interested to compare. I'm not scoring points. I don't pretend to be an expert. I'm genuinely intrigued by what you know that the rest of us don't.
 
show me a comparable densely populated city to Barcelona that didn't apply lockdown? I'd be very interested to compare. I'm not scoring points. I don't pretend to be an expert. I'm genuinely intrigued by what you know that the rest of us don't.
There aren't many cities that size in the world, thats a bit of a specific request. And i'm not claiming to know anything anyone else doesn't. I'm just showing you the data that is contrary to what you think and you're getting upset about it?! seems odd
 
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