I am aware of this, which is why it is odd you see all kinds still retweeting everything he says
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I am aware of this, which is why it is odd you see all kinds still retweeting everything he says
Has he got this weeks lottery numbers too?
lewistacey
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No he’s probably tell you not to bother. As he’d give you the actual statistical chance of you winning and you’d be able to make an informed deciosion that it’s not worth it. Much like he did in feb with this nonsense
JayDR8
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Social media means people don't need to challenge their own opinions as there will always be people with 'facts' and opinions to back up their arguments as is seen in this very thread.
This is something our government is very much aware of and why they play the social media game very strongly, these are the times we are in.
BareBen91
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By the other opinion you mean the the negative one you know and love
lewistacey
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Yh and I’d rather save 1 child’s life over 100 85 year olds, and the 85 year olds I know would agree
I don't think they're mutually exclusive
I know and love? Do I ?
I just think the bloke is an idiot and surprised he is held in such high esteem. He is a 'professor' but isn't in anything remotely close to infection control, virus... oncology if I remember correctly. Oh and the man responsible for giving the medical advice to release the Lockerbie bomber early based on him dying within a few months, and having a less than 1% chance of living for 10 years. Which of course he did go on to do.
A man promoting 'alternative' medicine to cancer patients. Oh and a man that lied about being a Professor at the Imperial College who were forced to take legal action against him because he kept doing it.
Other than that, top bloke
lewistacey
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Not only children, but people of all ages. Nobody has shied away from the fact that Coronavirus is deadly on several fronts:
- died of the virus
- died with the virus (contributing factor)
- died because of a scaling back of health services
- died by suicide because of the mental effects of lockdown
- died because of reluctance to seek medical assistance
That is why the death toll is sometimes accused of being over-exaggerated and why we must wait to compare excess deaths with other years
It doesn't mean that we should throw the already vulnerable under the bus
- died of the virus
- died with the virus (contributing factor)
- died because of a scaling back of health services
- died by suicide because of the mental effects of lockdown
- died because of reluctance to seek medical assistance
That is why the death toll is sometimes accused of being over-exaggerated and why we must wait to compare excess deaths with other years
It doesn't mean that we should throw the already vulnerable under the bus
lewistacey
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That was my original point. You isolate only the vulnerable. Shielding them. Win win
JayDR8
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The problem with that was that there was clearly gonna be a playing of the discrimination card on doing that
.Ultimately some mitigation needed to happen and exactly what it is won't be known fully, but my opinion for a long time is that it should have been along the lines of that. It's unfortunate for those people but a balance needs to be struck, obviously it would have then came down to a lot of people's critical judgement (Something most lack) on whether they want to risk it. I think it was right to lock down first whilst they established the early facts, which obviously our government killed 1000s with by not making the decision on soon enough.
MrHullMysterious
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Whist don't want to delve too much into this shitstorm of nonsense, the Dr Fauci mask comment was when the USA had hardly any cases, and the full interview he says it's not worth it with so few community transmissions. (Paraphrased). Obviously now with usa going for top trumps score in covid, the advice changes.
Just have to understand some people have to have a narrative to make sense of the world, even if that narrative doesn't hold up to imperial evidence or scrutiny of critical thinking. Shouldn't hate them cause they don't have the faculties to do so. Just unfortunate you can find/make any evidence on the internet to back your narrative?
Just have to understand some people have to have a narrative to make sense of the world, even if that narrative doesn't hold up to imperial evidence or scrutiny of critical thinking. Shouldn't hate them cause they don't have the faculties to do so. Just unfortunate you can find/make any evidence on the internet to back your narrative?
lewistacey
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Ok but this was at the height of the outbreakWhist don't want to delve too much into this shitstorm of nonsense, the Dr Fauci mask comment was when the USA had hardly any cases, and the full interview he says it's not worth it with so few community transmissions. (Paraphrased). Obviously now with usa going for top trumps score in covid, the advice changes.
Just have to understand some people have to have a narrative to make sense of the world, even if that narrative doesn't hold up to imperial evidence or scrutiny of critical thinking. Shouldn't hate them cause they don't have the faculties to do so. Just unfortunate you can find/make any evidence on the internet to back your narrative?
Can’t we agree that some scientists are wrong sometimes and it makes sense to listen to ones who appear to be getting it right?
soha
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Although I don't agree with a lot of what your saying, I think you @lewistacey are making your points well and providing good discussion.
lewistacey
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That’s all I’m doing. We are all exposed to the widespread media and the messages displayed therein. I am merely offering what I deem to be credible counter arguments. I am not shouting anyone down, name calling or muting and very open to the idea that the things I’m citing may well end up incorrect. But to outright ignore it seems odd from people who are quoting scientists that have done more 180s than a pro skateboarder.
JayDR8
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The caveat here being they said it was 'weak' and 'no evidence'. A lot of that is basically that there hadn't been a review when they had no evidence so factually they were correct.. The government should of course have been telling them to look in to it but at that point already they were trying to shift the blame on to the scientific advisors so it was in their interests for those people to come across as flakey and wrong. When a health/scientific advisor said something out of turn on the briefings they were never allowed back on.
Ultimately those kind of stories were exactly what the government wanted. 'Evidence' of scientific advisors changing their mind and them just saying they were following it. Government always have final say and the majority of the time they weren't following the science at all, they were manipulating how it looked. Just like they've brought in all of the measures that sounded sensible (Masks/travel quarantine/loads more) at all of the wrong times because in the future they can manipulate it to say we did all of the things that were recommended and their voters won't remember the time frame was completely incorrect and lost thousands of lives because of it.
2H76
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Don't forget there are people who haven't died due to the lockdown who would have from those elderly contracting normal 'flu who would have gone on to pneumonia, to those who would have been killed on the road had they been going to their normal job but were at home instead and all stations inbetween.
Although Lockdown may well have caused many lives, suicide, over-drinking/smoking (so lives lost further down the line) and DIY - as I might have found out when I went one way and the ladder went another. Luckily I was on the second rung, from the bottom. Just a bruised ego!!
Bottom line, everyone must do their best to keep the numbers low and to make sure we can continue the horrid new normal. I don't want to be lockdowned again, and I want to travel.
Although Lockdown may well have caused many lives, suicide, over-drinking/smoking (so lives lost further down the line) and DIY - as I might have found out when I went one way and the ladder went another. Luckily I was on the second rung, from the bottom. Just a bruised ego!!
Bottom line, everyone must do their best to keep the numbers low and to make sure we can continue the horrid new normal. I don't want to be lockdowned again, and I want to travel.
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