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Dutch government held a press conference yesterday, basically telling us what we already knew 2 weeks ago, but they changed some minor details for the good such as 30 people can be in a bar or restaurant excluding personnel (that was including personnel earlier)...

Anyway, I switched it off cause I was annoyed and tried to make the best of it:
- booked a lunch on a terrace on June 1st at 12.00 o clock (that's the exact time the restaurant and terraces can reopen here)
- booked a 30 people 1.5 distance party that same week (its more for fun and giggles and to support the bar rather than being a real party)
- booked a drive thru car ticket for this Saturday at Thuishaven, it's a festival location in Amsterdam and they have a drive thru party where you pay
10 Euro a car and get a drink and a burger and some house music played by Michel de Hey and Secret Cinema. Again, it's more fun than really a
party cause you're in the car and only see the terrain for about 10 minutes but it helps the organization survive.

Now with my Ibiza trip rebooked to July....there is some fun stuff to look forward too and that's what we need in life right?
With the government basically forbidding outdoor life, fun stuff, meeting new people...it was very easy to get depressed and perhaps my frustration about that was to be found here sometimes to. Not saying I chanced my mind about lockdowns etc....still stand by my beliefs, but im in a more happy mood right now and see some more perspective :)
 
ElrowLovers said:
Dutch government held a press conference yesterday, basically telling us what we already knew 2 weeks ago, but they changed some minor details for the good such as 30 people can be in a bar or restaurant excluding personnel (that was including personnel earlier)...

Anyway, I switched it off cause I was annoyed and tried to make the best of it:
- booked a lunch on a terrace on June 1st at 12.00 o clock (that's the exact time the restaurant and terraces can reopen here)
- booked a 30 people 1.5 distance party that same week (its more for fun and giggles and to support the bar rather than being a real party)
- booked a drive thru car ticket for this Saturday at Thuishaven, it's a festival location in Amsterdam and they have a drive thru party where you pay
10 Euro a car and get a drink and a burger and some house music played by Michel de Hey and Secret Cinema. Again, it's more fun than really a
party cause you're in the car and only see the terrain for about 10 minutes but it helps the organization survive.

Now with my Ibiza trip rebooked to July....there is some fun stuff to look forward too and that's what we need in life right?
With the government basically forbidding outdoor life, fun stuff, meeting new people...it was very easy to get depressed and perhaps my frustration about that was to be found here sometimes to. Not saying I chanced my mind about lockdowns etc....still stand by my beliefs, but im in a more happy mood right now and see some more perspective :)
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This is what I like the hear, a bit of positivity!
 
SeoulSaint said:
Well you’d have thought then EasyJet would have invested in better systems knowing the huge fines.

Professionally I work with highly sensitive patient level data, and know intricately the importance of data protection. I bet it was simply easyJet being lazy and not really a ‘highly sophisticated breach’, which is comms speak for we were lazy. GDPR’s been around for a while, and they must have known how to store data and cc details.

If easyJet do get a massive fine and go under as a result it’s their own fault. Data security is a basic to online business. It’s like staff walking out of a high street shop with the doors unlocked and wondering why they’ve been burgled.

If they do go bankrupt, it’s worth considering the planes will still be there and so will the runway slots. So I’m sure a new operator would appear before too long.
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Sometimes these things are exaggerated a bit, depends what has been stolen. Normally passwords are stored in a format that makes it impossible for them to be recovered or discovered and any company these days not doing so would deserve every penny of any fine they received as it really is basic stuff. In any case though, even if the passwords were stolen and unmasked, no-one should be using the same passwords across multiple sites, if you do you are asking for trouble - use a password manager and let it chose a long, random, unique password for every site you use!!

On the other hand, the BA attack *was* really sophisticated as far as I remember and didn't involved a breach of their databases but was a security breach that allowed hackers to inject their own malicious code into the booking web-page in order to siphon off the card details as they were entered (including the CVV code, which isn't usually meant to be stored anywhere). I would not be surprised if the easyJet hack is along similar lines.

By the way, you can check if you have ever had your data lifted in a data breach at the have I been pwnd? web site.
 
ibiza coronavirus thread updated. four days without any new cases again here on the pitiuses.

I drove across the island this morning on my scooter - beautiful weather, summer is here. all going well our beaches reopen next monday (if we get the OK to go into phase two). bit by bit, more and more places are opening up. and all going well, some time between mid june and start of july, some kind of season will start - of that I'm sure by now.
 
stivi said:
ibiza coronavirus thread updated. four days without any new cases again here on the pitiuses.

I drove across the island this morning on my scooter - beautiful weather, summer is here. all going well our beaches reopen next monday (if we get the OK to go into phase two). bit by bit, more and more places are opening up. and all going well, some time between mid june and start of july, some kind of season will start - of that I'm sure by now.
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we have just rebooked for middle of August and the money we got back paid for us to do 9 nights instead of 7 with the deals on atm plus futher into the high season so all around happy with that
 
stivi said:
ibiza coronavirus thread updated. four days without any new cases again here on the pitiuses.

I drove across the island this morning on my scooter - beautiful weather, summer is here. all going well our beaches reopen next monday (if we get the OK to go into phase two). bit by bit, more and more places are opening up. and all going well, some time between mid june and start of july, some kind of season will start - of that I'm sure by now.
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You're adding to my positive mood today Stivi! :)
 
Perhaps this unknown at this stage for Covid-19, but in regards to other types of virus, if you get mild or asymptomatic in one instance, what is the likelihood of you getting it worse a second or third time?
Apart from getting older and your immune system weakening with age, is it possible that somebody who wasn't that ill first time around could get very ill in the future? Or are they always likely to have the same response
 
stivi said:
it says that 44% of those who've had it mildly or asymptomatic have developed little to no antibodies
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Ah right, I had to guess as translate got messed up with the page (cookies popups etc).

It makes sense I guess. If mild or no symptoms your immune system isn't over responding so is less likely to develop antibodies (memory). So you can get it again and again (although your immune system will clear it).

From virus point of view that is perfect, you keep a reservoir of hosts forever.

Does mean vaccines that get the body to generate antibodies to a virus fragment etc will probs not be effective for those people.

So just have to have good coverage for the rest, but old people from what I've read have lower responses to vaccines. Unless we have an overcharged one for people in that group?

And let's hope asymptomatic people are not getting hidden damage each time.
 
Johnny Vodka said:
www.theguardian.com

Europe should brace for second wave, says EU coronavirus chief

Exclusive: ‘The question is how big,’ says Dr Andrea Ammon, who thinks March skiing breaks were pivotal to spread
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I'm curious as to what the science is (if any) behind opening up again. Surely a second wave is practically guaranteed isn't it? It seems to me that there's a tacit acceptance now by most governments that people can't be locked down indefinitely and that we're just going to have to accept that thousands are going to die as a price for getting the economy moving again. I think this is why the British government deliberately briefed the press that the lock-down would be all but over last week, only to then brief other press that it wouldn't be and finally to give ridiculous conflicting and confusing guidelines which made the adherence to and policing of rules all but impossible. They have effectively decided that, rather than make any difficult decisions, they'd divest themselves of the responsibility by giving deliberately vague advice that can later be used to support their argument whichever scenario happens as a result. From what I have seen here, the lock-down these days is simply being ignored.
 
TimmiT said:
I'm curious as to what the science is (if any) behind opening up again. Surely a second wave is practically guaranteed isn't it? It seems to me that there's a tacit acceptance now by most governments that people can't be locked down indefinitely and that we're just going to have to accept that thousands are going to die as a price for getting the economy moving again. I think this is why the British government deliberately briefed the press that the lock-down would be all but over last week, only to then brief other press that it wouldn't be and finally to give ridiculous conflicting and confusing guidelines which made the adherence to and policing of rules all but impossible. They have effectively decided that, rather than make any difficult decisions, they'd divest themselves of the responsibility by giving deliberately vague advice that can later be used to support their argument whichever scenario happens as a result. From what I have seen here, the lock-down these days is simply being ignored.
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The whole second wave thing is a bit of scare tactics if you ask me. Trying to keep everyone in line and obey the basic rules for a while longer.
No one knows if there will be a second wave. Sure there will be a small rise in new cases once tourism is back and terraces reopen but if you have a proper test, trace & isolate system ready it will not be a wave like the first one.
 
ElrowLovers said:
The whole second wave thing is a bit of scare tactics if you ask me. Trying to keep everyone in line and obey the basic rules for a while longer.
No one knows if there will be a second wave. Sure there will be a small rise in new cases once tourism is back and terraces reopen but if you have a proper test, trace & isolate system ready it will not be a wave like the first one.
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Based on what evidence/logic/science though?

One or two infected people in the general population caused an eventual spread that killed thousands, what makes you think that it's not just going to take hold again the moment people go back to normal? As far as I can tell, unless there's believed to be enough herd immunity to keep the R number to a manageable level, or that the weaker social distancing rules will be able do that, there's nothing to stop it spreading out of control again.
 
if there is a second wave whats to say there isn't a third, fourth or this is going to around as long as we are.. so economic growth is to be no more and countries are to be left to gradually perish

I believe things have to get moving again the unknown is scary but the financial blip is becoming ever so real
 
ElrowLovers said:
The whole second wave thing is a bit of scare tactics if you ask me. Trying to keep everyone in line and obey the basic rules for a while longer.
No one knows if there will be a second wave. Sure there will be a small rise in new cases once tourism is back and terraces reopen but if you have a proper test, trace & isolate system ready it will not be a wave like the first one.
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For the Spanish flu, it was the 2nd and 3rd wave which where the deadliest.

If covid has 2nd and 3rd waves (which it will if not a lot have had it) and this coincide with winter in the northern hemisphere and flu season, could be bad.

Basically watch Brazil, USA to see how it goes with less lockdown measures.

Interesting to see if it pops back up in New Zealand etc with them going into winter shortly.
 
TimmiT said:
They have effectively decided that, rather than make any difficult decisions, they'd divest themselves of the responsibility by giving deliberately vague advice that can later be used to support their argument whichever scenario happens as a result. From what I have seen here, the lock-down these days is simply being ignored.
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I'm in Scotland, where stricter rules still apply. I know some people who say they've witnessed others being less careful, but haven't noticed much change in attitude up here myself. Personally, I think England will see a spike due to the rules changing to allow the public to travel around more (and congregate at "beauty spots"). I hate to be the voice of doom but any attempt to get back to normal in terms of socialising as normal in pubs, going to gigs, clubs, festivals etc will see a massive spike, and I'm not sure tracing will be able to keep a lid on things. Imagine someone with covid going to Glastonbury and the fallout from that...

Another happy story.

www.theguardian.com

Thousands of cancer patients could die early due to coronavirus delays, study finds

Researchers warn suspended surgery and treatments will lead to some cases becoming incurable
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
chez said:
if there is a second wave whats to say there isn't a third, fourth or this is going to around as long as we are.. so economic growth is to be no more and countries are to be left to gradually perish

I believe things have to get moving again the unknown is scary but the financial blip is becoming ever so real
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Exactly mate, I agree. We have to balance the unfortunate deaths, with getting the economy going again. So far, since the UK has slightly eased restrictions, all the charts are still declining at the same rate as before, so in my mind that is a positive thing. This virus is going to be around for months, years...do we just carry on like this until a vaccine is found? Tough decisions need to be made...
 
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