jimmiz
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If one of the companies dies, the other too.
And i am absolutely not sure that Air France will survive.
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And i am absolutely not sure that Air France will survive.
kimajy
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Unless the chef or waiter coughs over your food. It's surely extremely high risk for contagion in an eating establishment, and not only because of distancing from other people ? It makes travelling other than self-catering very difficult if you won't eat out though.
Agree that clubs and bars basically should stay shut until there is effective treatment or a vaccine though.
Hally
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To be honest I'm probably struggling to get any perspective. Three months ago the current situation would have seemed impossible and I now find it hard to imagine anything different.
Once we have had a few weeks of loosening across Europe we'll have a much better idea of how things are going to go
FlatErik
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Ahh I see.
Sorry I did not got that the first time.
Hmmm...I feel the governments are doing everything to let them survive. Let's hope so for both companies and countries.
The thing here is..if KLM falls, Schiphol Amsterdam falls...and way too many other business and jobs will fall.
So I guess the government will do everything in their power to prevent that.
2H76
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I don't follow airline politics too closely (I just fly in them!) so please correct me - does the EU ban "state-run" airlines (ie. government subsidies)? If so, maybe that will have to go and we go back to state-run airlines, subsidised by governments. It makes sense, use tax-payer's money to get in tourists and businessmen/women and get the money back that way.
Whereas in the UK we'll be turning tourists away if they have only their ID card and not a passport, or they fail the profiling tests. No matter how many feet we have, we still manage to shoot all of them.
FlatErik
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To my knowledge the EU does not ban state-run airlines.
With this crisis we're actually very close to state-run airlines in the Netherlands, France, Germany (Lufthansa)...perhaps not officially state-run but with the loans and stocks the governments they are practically state run.
Edit; just read that British Airways expects to lose 12.000 jobs due to the crisis. That's unbelievable.
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It seems in-line with plans around the world as far as being a gradual phased re-opening. Beyond that it’s hard to say. The most important part will be the criteria they use to determine how to proceed to the next phase or return to a prior phase.
For example, let’s say Catalonia can handle 500 new cases per day without stress but 1,000 per day would quickly overwhelm them. So if over a week they average 500 per day, then go on to next phase. Between 500-1000 you stay in same phase and over 1,000 you go backwards a phase. Similar metrics would be needed for testing, hospital capacity, medical supply stock, etc.
I struggle to see a scenario where many places are able to seamlessly move through the phases in 6-8 weeks. Even if governments do an incredible job I think it goes two steps forward, one step back...
Johnny Vodka
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Controversial. 
www.theguardian.com
Airlines and oil giants are on the brink. No government should offer them a lifeline | George Monbiot
This crisis is a chance to rebuild our economy for the good of humanity. Let’s bail out the living world, not its destroyers, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
craig72
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Good articleControversial.
Airlines and oil giants are on the brink. No government should offer them a lifeline | George Monbiot
This crisis is a chance to rebuild our economy for the good of humanity. Let’s bail out the living world, not its destroyers, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
Johnny Vodka
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You'll be turning into a raging lefty, environmentalist loony!
craig72
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I like the idea of wider cycle paths and less people out.
Johnny Vodka
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Cycling still often looks like a dangerous activity. I currently drive ~6 miles to work but would consider buying a bike and cycling some days if roads and traffic systems were better thought out for cyclists.
AntonioGeordio
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Right lads I’m checked in and heading back home. My house is going to get a new inmate for a few weeks. I’m beyond excited.
I’m going to log off from here for a bit, I need to spend time with my daughters and give my missus a long needed break. She’s going crazy.
Thanks for the craic and updates over the last few weeks. Apologies if I’ve pissed anyone off. If I haven’t pissed you off, I’ll get round to it soon lol.
I’ll check back in at some point once I’ve got up to speed with all the latest Tik Tok dances etc
Stay safe
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I’m going to log off from here for a bit, I need to spend time with my daughters and give my missus a long needed break. She’s going crazy.
Thanks for the craic and updates over the last few weeks. Apologies if I’ve pissed anyone off. If I haven’t pissed you off, I’ll get round to it soon lol.
I’ll check back in at some point once I’ve got up to speed with all the latest Tik Tok dances etc
Stay safe
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Bellagio
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Don't know if you have seen this, published yesterday.
Sources among Spanish employers have been speaking to news agency Efe, in an attempt to suggest an appropriate timetable for the reopening of some hospitality businesses as Spain turns its hand to a phased reduction in lockdown restrictions. They have been careful to emphasise that the dates for some sort of return to business are likely to vary from Autonomous Community to Autonomous Community, depending on how badly each has been affected and the remaining risk in each region.
From what they have said, terraces could be able to start operating again at some point between May 10 and 25, albeit with serious limitations on numbers of clientele, which would force each to reduce their usual capacity by at least a third. From May 5 they say it should be possible for customers to be once again allowed to collect food from the premises of hospitality businesses. And, in a third phase, from May 25, they would like to see establishments of more than 70 square meters, which provide table service, to return to normal opening, again with capacity reduced by about 33% and where they would have to use “separation measures”. None of this has yet been confirmed from government sources.
At the moment they have offered no estimates for when premises of less than 70 meters squared could reopen. Bars and restaurants throughout Spain have been closed since March 14 following the declaration of the State of Emergency, decreed by the Government in Madrid, to stop the spread of COVID-19, with the sole exception of licensed home delivery services.
The document prepared by an EY consultancy (members of Ernst & Young global investment firm), for the Spanish Hospitality Sector, and other employers, on the opening plan for the “post-confinement” period, say Efe, specifies that the Canary Islands, Andalusia and the Valencian Community would be the regions that should first allow activity to be restored to bars and restaurants.
The study, to which Efe has had access and which aims to serve as the basis for the proposal that the sector will make to the Executive, leaves the Balearic Islands, Murcia, Galicia, Asturias and Aragon for a “second phase”, and in a third and final phase locates Madrid, Navarra, Castilla-La Mancha and Castilla y León. This list “prioritises health security over economic risk”, according to its authors, weighing variables such as the number of infected per 100,000 inhabitants, the number of deaths and the average rate of infections.
Sources among Spanish employers have been speaking to news agency Efe, in an attempt to suggest an appropriate timetable for the reopening of some hospitality businesses as Spain turns its hand to a phased reduction in lockdown restrictions. They have been careful to emphasise that the dates for some sort of return to business are likely to vary from Autonomous Community to Autonomous Community, depending on how badly each has been affected and the remaining risk in each region.
From what they have said, terraces could be able to start operating again at some point between May 10 and 25, albeit with serious limitations on numbers of clientele, which would force each to reduce their usual capacity by at least a third. From May 5 they say it should be possible for customers to be once again allowed to collect food from the premises of hospitality businesses. And, in a third phase, from May 25, they would like to see establishments of more than 70 square meters, which provide table service, to return to normal opening, again with capacity reduced by about 33% and where they would have to use “separation measures”. None of this has yet been confirmed from government sources.
At the moment they have offered no estimates for when premises of less than 70 meters squared could reopen. Bars and restaurants throughout Spain have been closed since March 14 following the declaration of the State of Emergency, decreed by the Government in Madrid, to stop the spread of COVID-19, with the sole exception of licensed home delivery services.
The document prepared by an EY consultancy (members of Ernst & Young global investment firm), for the Spanish Hospitality Sector, and other employers, on the opening plan for the “post-confinement” period, say Efe, specifies that the Canary Islands, Andalusia and the Valencian Community would be the regions that should first allow activity to be restored to bars and restaurants.
The study, to which Efe has had access and which aims to serve as the basis for the proposal that the sector will make to the Executive, leaves the Balearic Islands, Murcia, Galicia, Asturias and Aragon for a “second phase”, and in a third and final phase locates Madrid, Navarra, Castilla-La Mancha and Castilla y León. This list “prioritises health security over economic risk”, according to its authors, weighing variables such as the number of infected per 100,000 inhabitants, the number of deaths and the average rate of infections.
2H76
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Ooooh you little tease you....
stivi
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done already.
stivi
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here's a theory - based on an 'all going well' scenario
I won't take it badly if in a few weeks you'll tell me I was wrong, but what if I'm right?
- mid may life slowly returns to ibiza with shops and first outdoor terraces of bars/restaurants opening
- by mid june beaches are open and more places can open more of their shop/restaurant surfaces
- by the end of june or start of july, all spanish territories are through the four phases and national tourism resumes. around the same dates the situation in lots of european countries has improved massively and EU decides to wait just a little more and then joint-open frontiers and airspaces at the end of july
- first clubs might open in july, but it's in august when thanks to international travel the season properly gets going and more clubs open
- season until halloween or later
I won't take it badly if in a few weeks you'll tell me I was wrong, but what if I'm right?
ComingHome
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After reading the forum the past couple of weeks I had all but written off a September trip this season (even 2021 was suggested as doubtful!).
With this new four phase plan, I have a sense of optimism, I am hopeful the clubs can re-open in July/August even at a limited capacity. I do believe the UK Conservative government will want to restart the economy ASAP and have flights operating as soon as the scientific advisers allow.
It will interesting to see the following points if the island does open to clubbing tourism:
a) Will punters still to fly to the island? My guess will be the majority will, obviously their will be some who are sceptical of being in clubs even at limited capacity. All the thousands who missed their May-July trips could re-book & drive up airline prices.
b) The DJ line ups should be incredible? A three month season lost, Solomun will be itching to play every night haha.
c) If if it limited capacity, will tickets be selling out & 'gold-dust' on the island for the big events?
d) Will the season carry on into the November months?
Being in our twenties, the clubs are the main reason for visiting Ibiza - let's hope this season will be salvaged!
With this new four phase plan, I have a sense of optimism, I am hopeful the clubs can re-open in July/August even at a limited capacity. I do believe the UK Conservative government will want to restart the economy ASAP and have flights operating as soon as the scientific advisers allow.
It will interesting to see the following points if the island does open to clubbing tourism:
a) Will punters still to fly to the island? My guess will be the majority will, obviously their will be some who are sceptical of being in clubs even at limited capacity. All the thousands who missed their May-July trips could re-book & drive up airline prices.
b) The DJ line ups should be incredible? A three month season lost, Solomun will be itching to play every night haha.
c) If if it limited capacity, will tickets be selling out & 'gold-dust' on the island for the big events?
d) Will the season carry on into the November months?
Being in our twenties, the clubs are the main reason for visiting Ibiza - let's hope this season will be salvaged!
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