☣ Coronavirus ☣

[feynman]

it was yesterday when I thought for the first time that we can actually see some light at the end of the tunnel here. but we'll have to be very careful, I fear in some places in europe the measures might get lifted too early and we get a relapse. interesting times ahead.

Yeah

But the situation seems better , a little bit
We have to live with the virus. That means :
Ibiza without Clubs or mass gatherings for
1 or 2 years , maybe. Until a vaccine or a cure is avaiable
Everyting happens outside , where distancing is possible. Westend needs special solution

Better than nothing.

Added : Dont know how to get there.
Flying is risky. 2 careful weeks of holiday and 2 hours desaster

 

[feynman]

Well I've just ordered off amazon a half face mask thing, as uk are reviewing this today. My suspicion is will say must be worn in public in shops etc, and there will be a rush on them ?‍

From what I read, paper ones are useless, poor fitting usually and only really supposed to be worn for 20 mins or so. The proper virus filter ones are very hard to come by and I think should be reserved for health care workers, so I went with something properly fitting that can be washed.

Reason think they might change it is Austria and Hungary both introduced lockdowns at same time, but Hungary also introduced mask wearing in public. The graphs of cases diverge until point Austria also introduces mask wearing and it's new cases drop to track Hungary's ?‍

Masks seems to be very effective. We need urgently much more Fffp 2 and ffp3 masks for the whole people. That will be a little game changer.
Should be possible to produce much more of them. I have a ffp3 Bought it 1 year ago for car working and so on. Second hand shop , original packed , 2 Euros . No Fake , its original
Didnt know was ffp3 was. Today I know ...

 

[Buckley]

Well I've just ordered off amazon a half face mask thing, as uk are reviewing this today. My suspicion is will say must be worn in public in shops etc, and there will be a rush on them ?‍

From what I read, paper ones are useless, poor fitting usually and only really supposed to be worn for 20 mins or so. The proper virus filter ones are very hard to come by and I think should be reserved for health care workers, so I went with something properly fitting that can be washed.

Reason think they might change it is Austria and Hungary both introduced lockdowns at same time, but Hungary also introduced mask wearing in public. The graphs of cases diverge until point Austria also introduces mask wearing and it's new cases drop to track Hungary's ?‍

I made one following this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/06/how-to-make-no-sew-face-mask-coronavirus . No idea if it's protecting anyone, bit at least serves as a reminder to social distance when out

 

[SeoulSaint]

Masks seems to be very effective. We need urgently much more Fffp 2 and ffp3 masks for the whole people. That will be a little game changer.
Should be possible to produce much more of them. I have a ffp3 Bought it 1 year ago for car working and so on. Second hand shop , original packed , 2 Euros . No Fake , its original
Didnt know was ffp3 was. Today I know ...

There’s no real evidence to suggest masks are effective. I think it just makes people feel like they’re doing something. Look at the studies on masks they’re mainly inconclusive at best. The CDC in the USA, published a bibliography of these studies, and none of them say masks do anything at a population level. But they still advised masks should be used, including a bizarre guide to making a mask from a t shirt.

Possibly the only benefit is if fitted properly they will stop a positive person spreading, yet this isn’t proven either. It’s only hypothetical.

 

[Buckley]

including a bizarre guide to making a mask from a t shirt.

Yeah, what sort of idiot would do that!
(Mine is quite advanced and has a replaceable kitchen towel filter feature!)

It isn't out of the realms of possibility they help stop positive people infected others though, and as you can have mild symptoms without realising or be asymptomatic, it's no harm to whack one on if you are unavoidably going somewhere busy.

 

[cunninghamali]

it was yesterday when I thought for the first time that we can actually see some light at the end of the tunnel here. but we'll have to be very careful, I fear in some places in europe the measures might get lifted too early and we get a relapse. interesting times ahead.

I agree...I think some places in Europe are indeed lifting restrictions too early to save the economy..I think it will hurt them in the long run

Spain is strict but I think it will be beneficial in the long run..we just have to get through it

 

[cunninghamali]

Yeah

But the situation seems better , a little bit
We have to live with the virus. That means :
Ibiza without Clubs or mass gatherings for
1 or 2 years , maybe. Until a vaccine or a cure is avaiable
Everyting happens outside , where distancing is possible. Westend needs special solution

Better than nothing.

Even outside distancing will be possible but still hard..especially in a club-festival or social gathering people are bound to not stick to it after drinking

Defo no clubs or mass gatherings for at least 1.5 at minimum at least

Realistically I think late summer next year is when we get expect Ibiza and festivals to start again

 

[stivi]

Even outside distancing will be possible but still hard..especially in a club-festival or social gathering people are bound to not stick to it after drinking

Defo no clubs or mass gatherings for at least 1.5 at minimum at least

Realistically I think late summer next year is when we get expect Ibiza and festivals to start again

I'm not as pessimistic as you guys.

 

[cunninghamali]

I'm not as pessimistic as you guys.

hard to be optimistic in these days and also thinking about how it will look logically

I hope I am wrong though

 

[2H76]

There’s no real evidence to suggest masks are effective. I think it just makes people feel like they’re doing doing something.

Possibly the only benefit is if fitted properly they will stop a positive person spreading, yet this isn’t proven either. It’s only hypothetical.

There's been a long discussion on the radio (UK) this morning and the suggestion is that they won't protect you, but good ones with filters can stop those who have contracted Covid but don't know from spreading the virus via breathing - and prevents mouth to hand contact.

That's what was on the BBC this morning, if it's factually incorrect don't blame the messenger!!

 

[W_I_C]

Re: masks

I've spent a fair bit of time in Asia in the past 5 years. There you can see up to 1/3 people wearing masks in public at any one time. On the one hand, it's a really courteous gesture trying your best not to spread your germs to your fellow man

On the other hand, the sheer number of people wearing masks leads me to one conclusion: they are not an effective method to prevent spreading germs!!

 

[W_I_C]

Here's a photo of my aunty though, who has fashioned a mask out of a jay cloth using a sewing machine. Since she and my uncle retired, they went a bit new age traveller and have toured Europe in a camper van. At the moment they're "stranded" on a camp site in Portugal, but living their best life. Local cases are v.low, but compulsory to wear a mask when visiting shops



???

Keeping her entertained i guess

PS. obviously the sewing machine was an essential bit of kit to take with them (!) I bet he gave her some grief for insisting on bringing it, but look who's laughing now

 

[mr_why]

So.… I'll add my two-cents! Years ago ski helmets never existed. You knew the dangers and you risk assessed appropriately. i.e. too near rocks and your head will be history. Then helmets came along, and you felt slightly invincible. You had a helmet, you took more chances, you skied faster, closer to rocks than before.

This may be a silly comparison, but my point is, going out with something that doesn't work may make things worse as you are convinced it will keep you and others safe... and take more chances.

 

[ibiza77]

I made one following this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/06/how-to-make-no-sew-face-mask-coronavirus . No idea if it's protecting anyone, bit at least serves as a reminder to social distance when out

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And when you enter the bank

 

[ibiza77]

We're some who would look better with a mask

 

[craig72]

I made one following this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/06/how-to-make-no-sew-face-mask-coronavirus . No idea if it's protecting anyone, bit at least serves as a reminder to social distance when out

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See you at Woomoon ?

 

[stivi]

events for the month of may at both hï and ushuaïa cancelled. anyone that's bought a ticket through ibiza spotlight will automatically get a full refund.

 

[andrewthemod_1978]

from scotland’s daily rag..
social distancing ... even on the beaches.

Don’t know how that will work out

Spain's hotels, restaurants and bars 'to stay shut until end of 2020'

The tourist industry could be worse hit following the lifting of lockdown measures.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

 

[The Sun God]

would gas masks work? there's one gathering dust at the local army surplus store

 

[FlatErik]

Dutch researchers have published an article today (in a good trustworthy newspaper) with new insights and calculations based on antibodies testing with blood donors in the Netherlands and the current death toll here.
The numbers say: the chance to die from Corona under the age of 70 is even smaller than your normal chance of dying under the age of 70. As of April 15th there have been 119 corona-related deaths in the age range of 20 till 69. Over 70% of those deaths had underlying suffering.
For someone under 20 the chance of dying from Corona is 1 in 26.400.

Therefor they are pleading a 60- economy to the government, saying the best way to deal with this now is to basically keep all restrictions such as mostly isolation (semi-lockdown here), social distancing and no acces to certain locations for all people above 60.
For everyone below 60: re-start everything like it was asap. Separate those two groups from each other as long as needed until there is a vaccine.

Tonight the dutch government will give a press conference about the current restrictions.
It is to be expected, based on a leaked advise from the medical crisis team, they will open up primary school again in may, secondary school a month later. Also kids below 18 can go back to sports again.