ANPR Cameras

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stuie

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These things are going up all around where I live. I don't have anything to hide from them or any reason to fear them but they just make me uneasy! We are now living the reality of George Orwells predictions and I don't like it for some reason :lol:

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Have you got them in your area and what do you think?
 
What an interesting topic of conversation Stuie :lol: ;)

I'm not familiar with said cameras so I don't think we have them where we live, I wouldn't like them tho cos they'd be catching us on camera nicking supermarket trolleys, climbing trees, jumping thru people's windows etc etc etc :eek: :lol:
 
Are they the kind of cameras that police can use to watch girls in the shower in their flat? If so then I'm all for them.
 
Barbie said:
What an interesting topic of conversation Stuie :lol: ;)

I'm not familiar with said cameras so I don't think we have them where we live, I wouldn't like them tho cos they'd be catching us on camera nicking supermarket trolleys, climbing trees, jumping thru people's windows etc etc etc :eek: :lol:
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:lol: They don't catch you climbing trees etc. They read your number plate and log where you drive, when you drive there, take your picture etc. There is dumbass yocals in the paper saying 'If you've got nothing to hide' blah blah blah but its like ID cards, just another piece of your freedom and privacy being taken away from you. And the council hasnt ruled out selling the information commercially either, meaning that like you can track someones mobile on the internet, you may be able to track their car movements.
 
The Fox said:
Are they the kind of cameras that police can use to watch girls in the shower in their flat? If so then I'm all for them.
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no, sorry - ANPR = Automated Number Plate Recognition
 
stuie said:
:lol: They don't catch you climbing trees etc. They read your number plate and log where you drive, when you drive there, take your picture etc. There is dumbass yocals in the paper saying 'If you've got nothing to hide' blah blah blah but its like ID cards, just another piece of your freedom and privacy being taken away from you. And the council hasnt ruled out selling the information commercially either, meaning that like you can track someones mobile on the internet, you may be able to track their car movements.
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Oh so it's just for people with cars, I thought it was to catch people climbing up trees etc to give them ASBOs :lol:

Oh i'm definitely for it then, I don't agree with cars cos I'm a tree hugger type :lol:
 
stuie said:
:lol: They don't catch you climbing trees etc. They read your number plate and log where you drive, when you drive there, take your picture etc. There is dumbass yocals in the paper saying 'If you've got nothing to hide' blah blah blah but its like ID cards, just another piece of your freedom and privacy being taken away from you. And the council hasnt ruled out selling the information commercially either, meaning that like you can track someones mobile on the internet, you may be able to track their car movements.
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What is the problem with the id card? What does it say? Do you go around with no identification?

I don't understand it
 
silvia said:
What is the problem with the id card? What does it say? Do you go around with no identification?

I don't understand it
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Are you in a state of confusion Sil :lol: ;) Tbh I don't really understand what he's on about either :confused: :lol:
 
silvia said:
What is the problem with the id card? What does it say? Do you go around with no identification?

I don't understand it
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at the moment we don't have ID cards in the UK. there are plans to bring them in, but its proving quite controversial.

My main objection is that they're wanting to charge us £100 each for them :evil:
 
stuie said:
no, sorry - ANPR = Automated Number Plate Recognition
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I see. Could they perhaps be twisted up from looking at the road to looking in showers? If not them I'm against them.
 
Scoobie said:
at teh moment we don't have ID cards in the UK. there are plans to bring them in, but its prooving quite controversial.

My main objection is that they're wanting to charge us £100 each for them :evil:
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So scoobie, you move around the country with no document of identity? Passport, driving licensce?
 
silvia said:
So scoobie, you move around the country with no document of identity? Passport, driving licensce?
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Yes, thats correct. If you are stopped by a policeman you can be asked asked to present your documents at a police station within a certain period of time.
 
Scoobie said:
Yes, thats correct. If you are stopped by a policeman you can be asked asked to present your documents at a police station within a certain period of time.
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Thanks.
That's weird tho.
We have passport (not compulsory) to travel away and id card. ID card contains the same info that passport and you are supposed to have it with you always. I don't see the fuss, they do know everything about us without the id card
 
silvia said:
What is the problem with the id card? What does it say? Do you go around with no identification?

I don't understand it
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No Sil, in my wallet i have photo driving licence card, credit cards, national insurance card, switch card etc etc.

There is no need to have an ID card as well that contains your tax information, health information, address history etc. In fact all this information (as is the current proposal)

  1. Name
  2. Other previous names or aliases;
  3. Date and place of birth and, if the person has died, the date of death;
  4. Address
  5. Previous addresses in the United Kingdom and elsewhere;
  6. Times of residency at different places in the United Kingdom or elsewhere;
  7. Current residential status;
  8. Residential statuses previously held;
  9. Information about numbers allocated to the applicant for identification purposes and about the documents to which they relate;
  10. Information about occasions on which recorded information in the Register has been provided to any person;
  11. Information recorded in the Register on request.
  12. Photograph
  13. Fingerprints
  14. “Other” biometrics (iris recognition);
  15. Signature
  16. Nationality;
  17. Entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom; and
  18. Where entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.
  19. National Identity Registration Number;
  20. The number of any ID card that has been issued;
  21. National Insurance number;
  22. The number of any relevant immigration document;
  23. The number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77)) that has been issued;
  24. The number of any passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;
  25. The number of any document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;
  26. The number of any identity card issued by the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom;
  27. Any reference number allocated by the Secretary of State in connection with an application made for permission to enter or to remain in the United Kingdom;
  28. The number of any work permit (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971);
  29. Any driver number connected to a driving licence;
  30. The number of any designated document which is held by the applicant that is a document the number of which does not fall within any of the preceding sub-paragraphs;
  31. The date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.
  32. The date of every application for registration;
  33. The date of every application for a modification of the contents of his entry;
  34. The date of every application confirming the contents of his entry (with or without changes);
  35. The reason for any omission from the information recorded in his entry;
  36. Particulars (in addition to its number) of every ID card issued;
  37. Whether each such card is in force and, if not, why not;
  38. Particulars of every person who has countersigned an application for an ID card or a designated document;
  39. Particulars of every notification given by the applicant for the purposes of regulations under section 13(1) (lost, stolen and damaged ID cards etc.);
  40. Particulars of every requirement by the Secretary of State for the individual to surrender an ID card issued to the applicant.
  41. The information provided in connection with every application to be entered in the Register, for a modification of the contents of entry in the Register or for the issue of an ID card;
  42. Information provided in connection with every application confirming entry in the Register (with or without change;
  43. Particulars of the steps taken, in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) or otherwise, for identifying the applicant or for verifying the information provided in connection with the application;
  44. Particulars of any other steps taken or information obtained (otherwise than in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b)) for ensuring that there is a complete, up-to-date and accurate entry about that individual in the Register;
  45. Particulars of every notification given by that individual for the purposes of section 12.
  46. A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;
  47. A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;
  48. Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry.
  49. Particulars of every occasion on which information contained in the individual’s entry has been provided to a person;
  50. Particulars of every person to whom such information has been provided on such an occasion;
  51. Other particulars, in relation to each such occasion, of the provision of the information.
 
That's not a card, that's a book!!! :lol: :lol:


Ours may contain all that, I'm sure, but at first sight it only have names and adress. The digital information is only abailable for police, but they have it anyway
 
That's not a card, that's a book!!! :lol: :lol:


Ours may contain all that, I'm sure, but at first sight it only have names and adress. The digital information is only abailable for police, but they have it anyway
 
stuie said:
No Sil, in my wallet i have photo driving licence card, credit cards, national insurance card, switch card etc etc.

There is no need to have an ID card as well that contains your tax information, health information, address history etc. In fact all this information (as is the current proposal)
  1. Name
  2. Other previous names or aliases;
  3. Date and place of birth and, if the person has died, the date of death;
  4. Address
  5. Previous addresses in the United Kingdom and elsewhere;
  6. Times of residency at different places in the United Kingdom or elsewhere;
  7. Current residential status;
  8. Residential statuses previously held;
  9. Information about numbers allocated to the applicant for identification purposes and about the documents to which they relate;
  10. Information about occasions on which recorded information in the Register has been provided to any person;
  11. Information recorded in the Register on request.
  12. Photograph
  13. Fingerprints
  14. “Other” biometrics (iris recognition);
  15. Signature
  16. Nationality;
  17. Entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom; and
  18. Where entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.
  19. National Identity Registration Number;
  20. The number of any ID card that has been issued;
  21. National Insurance number;
  22. The number of any relevant immigration document;
  23. The number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971 (c. 77)) that has been issued;
  24. The number of any passport issued by or on behalf of the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or by or on behalf of an international organisation;
  25. The number of any document that can be used (in some or all circumstances) instead of a passport;
  26. The number of any identity card issued by the authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom;
  27. Any reference number allocated by the Secretary of State in connection with an application made for permission to enter or to remain in the United Kingdom;
  28. The number of any work permit (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971);
  29. Any driver number connected to a driving licence;
  30. The number of any designated document which is held by the applicant that is a document the number of which does not fall within any of the preceding sub-paragraphs;
  31. The date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.
  32. The date of every application for registration;
  33. The date of every application for a modification of the contents of his entry;
  34. The date of every application confirming the contents of his entry (with or without changes);
  35. The reason for any omission from the information recorded in his entry;
  36. Particulars (in addition to its number) of every ID card issued;
  37. Whether each such card is in force and, if not, why not;
  38. Particulars of every person who has countersigned an application for an ID card or a designated document;
  39. Particulars of every notification given by the applicant for the purposes of regulations under section 13(1) (lost, stolen and damaged ID cards etc.);
  40. Particulars of every requirement by the Secretary of State for the individual to surrender an ID card issued to the applicant.
  41. The information provided in connection with every application to be entered in the Register, for a modification of the contents of entry in the Register or for the issue of an ID card;
  42. Information provided in connection with every application confirming entry in the Register (with or without change;
  43. Particulars of the steps taken, in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) or otherwise, for identifying the applicant or for verifying the information provided in connection with the application;
  44. Particulars of any other steps taken or information obtained (otherwise than in connection with an application mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b)) for ensuring that there is a complete, up-to-date and accurate entry about that individual in the Register;
  45. Particulars of every notification given by that individual for the purposes of section 12.
  46. A personal identification number to be used for facilitating the making of applications for information recorded in his entry, and for facilitating the provision of the information;
  47. A password or other code to be used for that purpose or particulars of a method of generating such a password or code;
  48. Questions and answers to be used for identifying a person seeking to make such an application or to apply for or to make a modification of that entry.
  49. Particulars of every occasion on which information contained in the individual’s entry has been provided to a person;
  50. Particulars of every person to whom such information has been provided on such an occasion;
  51. Other particulars, in relation to each such occasion, of the provision of the information.
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Is there only me that already carries this information around with me on a ream of foolscap in a bag?
 
silvia said:
Thanks.
That's weird tho.
We have passport (not compulsory) to travel away and id card. ID card contains the same info that passport and you are supposed to have it with you always. I don't see the fuss, they do know everything about us without the id card
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sil - just another cultural thing for Brits....................sometimes i don't carry ID either, maybe a credit card........................

f i was found dead i'd probably end up in a common grave in montjuic cemetry:eek:
 
grego said:
sil - just another cultural thing for Brits....................sometimes i don't carry ID either, maybe a credit card........................

f i was found dead i'd probably end up in a common grave in montjuic cemetry:eek:
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That was my next question: what if you have an accident far away and you don't have your passport with you :lol:

It's a cultural thing. Stuie, if we hadn't id cards I think I wouldn't like them neither ;)
 
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