Buckley
Well-Known Member
You maybe right Danielsan, but the risk of progress lost is too great against the gain. If the Lib-dems are two steps forwards, the Tories are fifty back.
Who are you voting for ???
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You maybe right Danielsan, but the risk of progress lost is too great against the gain. If the Lib-dems are two steps forwards, the Tories are fifty back.
Buckley
Well-Known Member
That's the showstopper, right there. Extreme lifechanging predjudice against a group of people that doesn't include you, isn't a priority for you.
THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
So, finally, there we have it.
if you say so Buckley, but like I said, its not top of my List of things to vote for.
or arent I allowed to cast that vote, because I'm not taking everyone else into consideration?
just call me a **** and be done with it.
Buckley
Well-Known Member
FFS
They're facists. When they come for Chewie, because he's not white and privately educated, would he like the gayers to be available to put in a good word?
That's not going to happen, and the sort of rhetoric/hyperbole that reduces the whole debate to mud slinging and exaggerated nonsense. I could draw a similar reductio ad absurdum to suggest that Labour will invadeSpain if the next terrorist attack comes from someone trained in the pyranees.
You just like Labour because they've been cosying up to ticket touts
if you say so Buckley, but like I said, its not top of my List of things to vote for.
or arent I allowed to cast that vote, because I'm not taking everyone else into consideration?
just call me a **** and be done with it.
You are a ****
Buckley
Well-Known Member
That's not going to happen, and the sort of rhetoric/hyperbole that reduces the whole debate to mud slinging and exaggerated nonsense. I could draw a similar reductio ad absurdum to suggest that Labour will invadeSpain if the next terrorist attack comes from someone trained in the pyranees.
You just like Labour because they've been cosying up to ticket touts
It's probably not going to happen. Just to gays. How much erosion of their basic civil rights is ok then? It's a fact that that what Tories want to do and it's the thin edge of the wedge. What next? So no adoption, no kids. Shoud they be able vote? They're different, so maybe not......What after that?
Labour have been cosying up to Gregatello?
agentundercover
Active Member
General principle of a number of you seems to be that to vote tory, you must believe in the entire manifesto & all views of anyone associated?
I'm voting labour, but I don't support everything they say or do....should I not vote for them?
I yield to no man in my hatred of bigotry in all its forms (to the point of irrationality) & I won't vote tory. Nothing at all to do with thatcher, nothing to do with 'toffs' (ffs chaps) principally and in very general summary as I would prefer a relatively inefficient larger state, with a degree of compassion, to a market based approach to health care, schools etc that may produce more economic growth yet has no heart.
I respect Chewie for his honesty - who are we to say that gay adoption rights should be right at the top of his agenda? Do we know him that well? His response (whilst in danger of fence sitting at one point) that it is not at the top of his urgent list, does not make him reject it?
I'm voting labour, but I don't support everything they say or do....should I not vote for them?
I yield to no man in my hatred of bigotry in all its forms (to the point of irrationality) & I won't vote tory. Nothing at all to do with thatcher, nothing to do with 'toffs' (ffs chaps
) principally and in very general summary as I would prefer a relatively inefficient larger state, with a degree of compassion, to a market based approach to health care, schools etc that may produce more economic growth yet has no heart. I respect Chewie for his honesty - who are we to say that gay adoption rights should be right at the top of his agenda? Do we know him that well? His response (whilst in danger of fence sitting at one point) that it is not at the top of his urgent list, does not make him reject it?
Conversation ends.
I hope that when you face discrimination, people don't dismiss it in such an offhand way.
I'm not going to waste anger on a viewpoint like this.
Good luck in in your search for social progress.
I face it and have faced it more times that i can possibly be bothered to remember. (usually when im facing the otherway)
because you know what, i do think, shall i confront them, and reason with them? nope, i just walk away knowing that they can say whatever they like because its not going to change nowt.
A perfect description of what it's like reasoning with yourself.
You mustn't vote Tory because...
"Mr Osborne, I really don't know which economists are advising you on this brilliant strategy to increase unemployment, but feel free to give me a call. Unemployment makes voters unhappy."Professor David Blanchflower, former member of the Bank of England's monetary policy committee
The Tories are simply rehashing Labour policies without the investment needed to make them work.
The Conservatives say Google or Microsoft could host NHS patient records, instead of setting up a central database. Please let that be a joke...oh, it's not.
Mr Cameron said (18/3/09) he wanted to create a "low-tax, low-debt economy" - or massive cuts in public services, as we know it.
David Cameron would leave young people like me on the dole, do you know he opposed the labour guarantee that all people under the age of 25 who are unemployed for a year will receive either a job or training
David Cameron would cut support for families under real pressure because of this recession and who need to defer interest payments so they don’t lose their homes.
If David Cameron had been in power I wouldn’t have had this year’s £60 cash boost and the Tories are even threatening to do away with my free TV license and free bus pass.
David Cameron would scrap the right for every patient to see a cancer specialist within two weeks if they are suspected of having cancer
David Cameron would cut a £160m from crime-fighting budgets right now, that is the equivalent of losing three and half thousand police officers, how can we afford to take this risk?
On the other hand, what David Cameron would do is give £200,000 to 3,000 millionaires.
Two racist far-right parties in Europe have today announced a new alliance with David Cameron's Conservative Party.
Representatives of the Czech Civic Democrats (ODS), the Polish Law and Order Party (PiS) and the Tories have confirmed their plan to leave the moderate and mainstream European People's Party-European Democrats (EPP-ED) after the forthcoming EU polls and form a group of their own, because of their opposition to further European integration and the Lisbon Treaty.
David Cameron, now Tory Leader, said '…an enthusiastic Tory backbencher like me can hardly wait to switch on the Today programme every morning in order to listen to all the bad news.'
Andrew Lansley, Tory Shadow Health Secretary, says, 'On many counts, recession can be good for us'.
George Osbourne, Tory Shadow Chancellor, says, ‘No one takes pleasure from people making money out of the misery of others but that is a function of capitalist markets.’
Their policies produced 18 per cent interest rates and thousands of repossessions.
They pander to right wing Eurosceptics.
They will cut benefit and tax relief for small businesses.
And break up the Unions.
They will lose the gains we've had in the NHS.
If the Tories win the next election it will break up the Union.
They want to charge an extra 5p a litre for fuel.
They are more interested in cheap political stunts than national security.
If politicians are self-serving, Tory politicians are more so.
Tories won't stand up for people like me.
Cameron understand the price of everything and the value of nothing.
They don't understand the need for the minimum wage.
And will scrap child tax credits.
They will reduce the time limits for abortion.
The Tories will bring back hunting with dogs.
They want to withdraw from the European Union.
"Mr Osborne, I really don't know which economists are advising you on this brilliant strategy to increase unemployment, but feel free to give me a call. Unemployment makes voters unhappy."Professor David Blanchflower, former member of the Bank of England's monetary policy committee
The Tories are simply rehashing Labour policies without the investment needed to make them work.
The Conservatives say Google or Microsoft could host NHS patient records, instead of setting up a central database. Please let that be a joke...oh, it's not.
Mr Cameron said (18/3/09) he wanted to create a "low-tax, low-debt economy" - or massive cuts in public services, as we know it.
David Cameron would leave young people like me on the dole, do you know he opposed the labour guarantee that all people under the age of 25 who are unemployed for a year will receive either a job or training
David Cameron would cut support for families under real pressure because of this recession and who need to defer interest payments so they don’t lose their homes.
If David Cameron had been in power I wouldn’t have had this year’s £60 cash boost and the Tories are even threatening to do away with my free TV license and free bus pass.
David Cameron would scrap the right for every patient to see a cancer specialist within two weeks if they are suspected of having cancer
David Cameron would cut a £160m from crime-fighting budgets right now, that is the equivalent of losing three and half thousand police officers, how can we afford to take this risk?
On the other hand, what David Cameron would do is give £200,000 to 3,000 millionaires.
Two racist far-right parties in Europe have today announced a new alliance with David Cameron's Conservative Party.
Representatives of the Czech Civic Democrats (ODS), the Polish Law and Order Party (PiS) and the Tories have confirmed their plan to leave the moderate and mainstream European People's Party-European Democrats (EPP-ED) after the forthcoming EU polls and form a group of their own, because of their opposition to further European integration and the Lisbon Treaty.
David Cameron, now Tory Leader, said '…an enthusiastic Tory backbencher like me can hardly wait to switch on the Today programme every morning in order to listen to all the bad news.'
Andrew Lansley, Tory Shadow Health Secretary, says, 'On many counts, recession can be good for us'.
George Osbourne, Tory Shadow Chancellor, says, ‘No one takes pleasure from people making money out of the misery of others but that is a function of capitalist markets.’
Their policies produced 18 per cent interest rates and thousands of repossessions.
They pander to right wing Eurosceptics.
They will cut benefit and tax relief for small businesses.
And break up the Unions.
They will lose the gains we've had in the NHS.
If the Tories win the next election it will break up the Union.
They want to charge an extra 5p a litre for fuel.
They are more interested in cheap political stunts than national security.
If politicians are self-serving, Tory politicians are more so.
Tories won't stand up for people like me.
Cameron understand the price of everything and the value of nothing.
They don't understand the need for the minimum wage.
And will scrap child tax credits.
They will reduce the time limits for abortion.
The Tories will bring back hunting with dogs.
They want to withdraw from the European Union.