I'd love to wear a veil on days when I'm looking rough, would be brilliant.
I was just thinking that myself Perfect for when you've been out the night before And think of all the washing you'd save, I'd just wear my pjs and a veil
Veils on women
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I was just thinking that myself Perfect for when you've been out the night before And think of all the washing you'd save, I'd just wear my pjs and a veil
I think some should be made to wear a bag ... and us lads have a one spare in case hers falls off !!!
Again, nothing to do with wearing a veil but god bless pictures of naked women in the paper.
Face covering in any sense be it Veil, Balaclava, hood, freaks me out. I'd rather they didn't cover up but I guess this is a free country so they can do as they please.
I just hope it honestly and truly is the womans choice to cover her face, otherwise it gets you thinking about all the strong women who have fought for equal rights over the past few centuries.
I just hope it honestly and truly is the womans choice to cover her face, otherwise it gets you thinking about all the strong women who have fought for equal rights over the past few centuries.
Morbyd
Moderator
There's 2 questions that people are answering here, sometimes together, and they need to be addressed separately:
1. Should women be allowed to wear veils?
Yes, of course. Any kind they want. I don't care if it's in Britain or in Djibouti. You've no right to tell someone what they can or can't wear, especially if it's related to their religion. Someone made the point earlier of British women having to cover up when they travel to some places - well, ya... otherwise you'd offend the local religion. But there's nothing in the doctrine of the Church of England that says a woman can't cover her face if she wants.
You can't use the argument "I don't like it." So what? I don't like tracksuits but doesn't mean you can't wear one!
Now, there might be places where you can make an exception - schools, photo IDs, airport check-in, some workplaces... for various reasons of security and functionality. Otherwise, live and let live.
2. Should women wear veils?
I don't have a problem with the headscarve types. I think the ones that cover the whole face are barbaric, mainly because I don't agree with the doctrine in Islam that necessitates them. Some will tell you it's actually because a woman, bearer of children and perpatuator of the species, is sacred. I don't buy it. It's demeaning.
Where the hell is Buckley, by the way?
1. Should women be allowed to wear veils?
Yes, of course. Any kind they want. I don't care if it's in Britain or in Djibouti. You've no right to tell someone what they can or can't wear, especially if it's related to their religion. Someone made the point earlier of British women having to cover up when they travel to some places - well, ya... otherwise you'd offend the local religion. But there's nothing in the doctrine of the Church of England that says a woman can't cover her face if she wants.
You can't use the argument "I don't like it." So what? I don't like tracksuits but doesn't mean you can't wear one!
Now, there might be places where you can make an exception - schools, photo IDs, airport check-in, some workplaces... for various reasons of security and functionality. Otherwise, live and let live.
2. Should women wear veils?
I don't have a problem with the headscarve types. I think the ones that cover the whole face are barbaric, mainly because I don't agree with the doctrine in Islam that necessitates them. Some will tell you it's actually because a woman, bearer of children and perpatuator of the species, is sacred. I don't buy it. It's demeaning.
Where the hell is Buckley, by the way?
There's 2 questions that people are answering here, sometimes together, and they need to be addressed separately:
1. Should women be allowed to wear veils?
Yes, of course. Any kind they want. I don't care if it's in Britain or in Djibouti. You've no right to tell someone what they can or can't wear, especially if it's related to their religion. Someone made the point earlier of British women having to cover up when they travel to some places - well, ya... otherwise you'd offend the local religion. But there's nothing in the doctrine of the Church of England that says a woman can't cover her face if she wants.
Where the hell is Buckley, by the way?
Have to confess I don't really care too much for the 'not offending the local religion argument' (and I mean any religion not just Islam) - we should have a right to free speech and if a person thinks that religion in utter nonsense sold to vunerable people that's responsible for most of the evils of the world since time began, they should be able to say it, no matter who it offends.
I have no idea where Buckley is
Muslin women, like everyone else should wear what they want to wear, and not be under irrational pressure from religious leaders or members of their families to dress in a particular way.
Ahnyway this wearing of a veil arguement is a bit rubbish It's just another example of the press stirring and politicians generating interest.
Ahnyway this wearing of a veil arguement is a bit rubbish
It's just another example of the press stirring and politicians generating interest.
And think of all the washing you'd save, I'd just wear my pjs and a veil
shall we go to ministry in veils and a bottle of poppers
Morbyd
Moderator
I think that's horrible... but not relevant to the question at hand.
You're kind of mixing up issues here. Free speech at home is a given. Of course you should be allowed to say whatever you want about whatever religion... who said otherwise? (but with that right comes the responsibility to have a bit of sense and sensibility about it)hounddj said:
As for offending local religious sensibilities when you're a guest in another country, as someone who travels a lot, that's something I take a bit more seriously.
Moha
Well-Known Member
circumcision is for boys, I thought.
excision is for young girls mainly in western Africa.
Moha
Well-Known Member
@Hannah: Did you ever speak to a veiled muslim woman? do you have muslim friends? Did you ever try and help stop excision on little African girls?
When you feel offended, you should do something about it and not just say; veil is regression. How do you know those women are unhappy?
In most European countries, 85 to 90 % of muslims don't practice their religion.
When you feel offended, you should do something about it and not just say; veil is regression. How do you know those women are unhappy?
In most European countries, 85 to 90 % of muslims don't practice their religion.
Sorry I think the wearing of veils should be banned in certain situations.
The muslim council of britain has even said that the teacher who was sacked for refusing to remove her veil when teaching is wrong.
We should not be allowed to do whatever we want whenever we want.
Lets have some balance. When I visit a muslim or hindu country there are certain things I moderate to fit in and not to offend. My wife ditches her exposed flesh and wears clothes that do not offend the culture of that country. I don't agree with it, but i am in a minority and therfore moderate out of respect for the cultural norm.
Muslim Britons who think wearing veils is socially acceptable are obviously isolated to british cultural norms and continuing to wear the veils will only add to the problem.
BY MY CULTURAL UPBRINGING I would find it rude if someone refused to take off their veil when communicating with me - where's the respect for my cultural upbringing?
Do you think my mother who's a Roman Catholic, would get away with wearing sack cloth and ashes to work as a nurse? Fck would she, she'd be dismissed and probably sectioned.
Veils are not a religious "must" but a personal choice by certain Muslims.
Why should the personal choice of a few come before the overall harmony of a society?
If it was a harmles choice then so be it, but right now we need to find common ground and not allow boundaries to communication to arise.
We should publicise and celebrate occasions like Ramadan lik we publicise Easter. It is an excellent way to pomote understanding an tolerance.
Wearing veils doesn't help. And those who wear them must know this.
The muslim council of britain has even said that the teacher who was sacked for refusing to remove her veil when teaching is wrong.
We should not be allowed to do whatever we want whenever we want.
Lets have some balance. When I visit a muslim or hindu country there are certain things I moderate to fit in and not to offend. My wife ditches her exposed flesh and wears clothes that do not offend the culture of that country. I don't agree with it, but i am in a minority and therfore moderate out of respect for the cultural norm.
Muslim Britons who think wearing veils is socially acceptable are obviously isolated to british cultural norms and continuing to wear the veils will only add to the problem.
BY MY CULTURAL UPBRINGING I would find it rude if someone refused to take off their veil when communicating with me - where's the respect for my cultural upbringing?
Do you think my mother who's a Roman Catholic, would get away with wearing sack cloth and ashes to work as a nurse? Fck would she, she'd be dismissed and probably sectioned.
Veils are not a religious "must" but a personal choice by certain Muslims.
Why should the personal choice of a few come before the overall harmony of a society?
If it was a harmles choice then so be it, but right now we need to find common ground and not allow boundaries to communication to arise.
We should publicise and celebrate occasions like Ramadan lik we publicise Easter. It is an excellent way to pomote understanding an tolerance.
Wearing veils doesn't help. And those who wear them must know this.
Morbyd
Moderator
It might offend you, but that has nothing to do with your religion. There's a qualitative difference there... plus, I don't think it "offends" most Britains. Many non-Muslims might not think it makes much sense, but "offend" is a strong word.
Furthermore, I think it only offends you because you've got some preconceived notion of what constitutes freedom for a woman. (so do I, by the way, but I wouldn't impress that mode of thinking upon anyone). You seem to have overlooked that some, if not most, observant Muslim woman want to wear the veil. It's part of their religion. Bless 'em.
Good Christians used to think it was wrong for a woman to walk around half-naked as well....most have gotten away from that tradition... though not in some more conservative Christian countries. Orthodox Christian women in many places still have to put on a headscarf before going to church.
Veils are clothing. Circumcision is physical mutilation. They are separate debates.
Morbyd
Moderator
No item of clothing is a "must", but some are perscribed by religion. Amish men wear those funny hats, for example. There's varying degrees of adherence and interpretation in all religions... for some Muslim women, those veils are necessary.
Also, I think religion and culture are different things... it's very much a part of British culture to go get pissed on a Friday night, but if you're a conservative Baptist Brit then drinking is off limits... which one takes precedence? Religion, of course... because that's how people are.
(I should note that I agreed with some of your other points)