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exactly
link to press conference please??
dunno, watching on ib tv now.
Morbyd
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It just feeds into Mourinho's (admittedly exaggerated) sense of injustice.
He's right... seems like he can't finish a match with 11 men against Barca! Sometimes deservedly, but sometimes not and that's where you give him fodder for his rants.
It just feeds into Mourinho's (admittedly exaggerated) sense of injustice.
He's right... seems like he can't finish a match with 11 men against Barca! Sometimes deservedly, but sometimes not and that's where you give him fodder for his rants.
i hate the guy i admit it. but tonight after having listened to what he's said......i'm just ashamed he's such a prominent figure in the game.
far worse than play acting, far worse then dirty fouls. it's like the worst, bitterest, nastiest, most spiteful loser in the game, kind of saying well done but then cutting your throat at the same time.
he somehow tried to hide his comments by saying barça are a fantastic team, whilst simultaneously saying they win unfairly all the time and shouldn't have any pride in winning such games because the an injustice has occurred. so says he who parks the bus and set's out his hatchet men to take care of business.
it was straight out of the republican handbook of smear. thankfully, on the channel i was watching, players and ex-managers from across both sides and neutrals were ashamed for him. e.g. miguel angel nadal, hector cuper, ivan campo.
god forbid the british press ever do anything but let him spooze on their collective faces.
it just feeds into mourinho's (admittedly exaggerated) sense of injustice.
He's right... Seems like he can't finish a match with 11 men against barca! Sometimes deservedly, but sometimes not and that's where you give him fodder for his rants.
+1
Here's my view point.
Not a red card for me either, but it looks worse from some angles than others so it's not by any means a scandalous decision.
I was also ashamed by some of the theatrics by some Barca players (the usual suspects), I do think they were worse than usual as a consequence of the pre-match comments and build up from Mourinho.
I'm 100% with Grego's comments though.
Mourinho reeling off refereeing names was embarassing. I loved the way he defended Chelsea's name by naming Obrevo, but then didnt mention the name of the ref that robbed Chelsea of a clear penalty in their game with Inter Milan last year in the first leg.. remember that one Morbyd..?
or mentioned how Porto beat Depor in ther semis 2004 after another shocking decision to send off a Depor player.
Whats quite worrying is that the Real fans and players are beginning to believe the stuff he says, well some of them anyway. I think some of the press in Madrid are seeing the light though.
Not a red card for me either, but it looks worse from some angles than others so it's not by any means a scandalous decision.
I was also ashamed by some of the theatrics by some Barca players (the usual suspects), I do think they were worse than usual as a consequence of the pre-match comments and build up from Mourinho.
I'm 100% with Grego's comments though.
Mourinho reeling off refereeing names was embarassing. I loved the way he defended Chelsea's name by naming Obrevo, but then didnt mention the name of the ref that robbed Chelsea of a clear penalty in their game with Inter Milan last year in the first leg.. remember that one Morbyd..?
or mentioned how Porto beat Depor in ther semis 2004 after another shocking decision to send off a Depor player.
Whats quite worrying is that the Real fans and players are beginning to believe the stuff he says, well some of them anyway. I think some of the press in Madrid are seeing the light though.
Moha
Well-Known Member
Mourinho may be the subject of a Uefa investigation after Barcelona revealed they could report him for suggesting the Catalan club get sympathy for their partnership with Unicef.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2914...out-at-barcelona-uefa-is-it-because-of-unicef
Bad loser!
Agree with Grego's comment.
Usual business for pepe:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9266q_pepe-agression-real-madrid-3-2-geta_sport
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2914...out-at-barcelona-uefa-is-it-because-of-unicef
Bad loser!
Agree with Grego's comment.
Usual business for pepe:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9266q_pepe-agression-real-madrid-3-2-geta_sport
macdonsj
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my take on El Clasico
- both teams have play actors (Busquets / Di Maria)
- both teams harass the ref
- both teams wave imaginary cards
Madrid, for a team that have Ronaldo, Di Maria, Alonso, Ozil etc etc are pathetic
My team Rangers got criticised for their tactics versus Barca a few years back - Madrid used similar and yet had probably spent four times the Rangers budget on Ronaldo alone.
Mourinho has become an embarassment - such a fall from grace since his Chelsea days when it was humour and arrogance
Only one team wanted to play football last night
Arbeloa is simply a hired thug - every Clasico he's been at it - in the first one, he was sent on clearly to kick anything that moved
Marcelo clearly knew what he was doing when he stamped on Pedro
Adebayor was a clear red - Pepe not so clear, but i can see how the ref gave it as it "looked" dangerous
How Diarra lasted the 90mins i don't know - he must have had about 30 fouls!!
- both teams have play actors (Busquets / Di Maria)
- both teams harass the ref
- both teams wave imaginary cards
Madrid, for a team that have Ronaldo, Di Maria, Alonso, Ozil etc etc are pathetic
My team Rangers got criticised for their tactics versus Barca a few years back - Madrid used similar and yet had probably spent four times the Rangers budget on Ronaldo alone.
Mourinho has become an embarassment - such a fall from grace since his Chelsea days when it was humour and arrogance
Only one team wanted to play football last night
Arbeloa is simply a hired thug - every Clasico he's been at it - in the first one, he was sent on clearly to kick anything that moved
Marcelo clearly knew what he was doing when he stamped on Pedro
Adebayor was a clear red - Pepe not so clear, but i can see how the ref gave it as it "looked" dangerous
How Diarra lasted the 90mins i don't know - he must have had about 30 fouls!!
agentundercover
Active Member
Yep, I can only assume the ref bottled it when it came to sending one more off.
Just reading some of Mourino's words - outrageously disrespectful:
Guardiola is a fantastic coach, but he's won one Champions League which I would be ashamed to win after the scandal at Stamford Bridge and this year, if he wins it again, it will be after the scandal at the Bernabeu," stated Mourinho.
I hope that one day he will win a clean Champions League, with no incidents behind it."
madwhitegiant
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Mourinho made no attempt to win that game. He got what he deserved. Look at the players at his disposal and he sends them out to play like that! Pratt.
You could see why Ronaldo had the hump as he wanted to do what he is paid for and play football.
The antics of Real and Barca at times was poor. Who was that **** in the suit who got the keeper sent off at half time? What's it got to do with him in his Mr Byrites suit?
Stoke play like that over here and people say it is anti-football blah blah but if Jose does it he is tactical genuis. My arse.
Same with Wenger he moans when anyone puts ten men behind the ball but what did he do against Barcelona? Mourinho moaned when the bus was parked against his sides but happy for him to do it. Double standards as always.
Winning at all costs? Er no thanks. At least Real will have to have a go second leg and certainly have the players to make a game of it.
Sending off was well you go in high and leave your leg out like that then you run the risk. Could have been a yellow or red so not surprised.
Amazing goal by Messi. The ball just looks stuck to his feet. I couldn't run with the ball like that even if i picked it up.
You could see why Ronaldo had the hump as he wanted to do what he is paid for and play football.
The antics of Real and Barca at times was poor. Who was that **** in the suit who got the keeper sent off at half time? What's it got to do with him in his Mr Byrites suit?
Stoke play like that over here and people say it is anti-football blah blah but if Jose does it he is tactical genuis. My arse.
Same with Wenger he moans when anyone puts ten men behind the ball but what did he do against Barcelona? Mourinho moaned when the bus was parked against his sides but happy for him to do it. Double standards as always.
Winning at all costs? Er no thanks. At least Real will have to have a go second leg and certainly have the players to make a game of it.
Sending off was well you go in high and leave your leg out like that then you run the risk. Could have been a yellow or red so not surprised.
Amazing goal by Messi. The ball just looks stuck to his feet. I couldn't run with the ball like that even if i picked it up.
ok, now the dust has settled, a few more sober thoughts. I spent hours reading the reaction to the game last night. Although the drama and the spite was hugely entertaining, my fear is that busquets and alves in particular have done massive damage to the Barca brand - more journalists are talking about them than messi's genius this morning 
and worse, people will overlook the cynicism of Madrid's tactics which obviously riled everyone in the first place. I really don't know at what point it got like this but you never got this nonsense in the Cruyff years, zubi, koeman, laudrup, ferrer, julio salinas, beriguistain, guardiola himself were really dignified players, I don't think you ever had it in the Robson or Van Gaal eras either. I think something changed when player power asserted itself in the Rijkaard years and big egos like Deco arrived. Big salaries, tv contracts, an ever widening gap with the rest of la liga and people starting to believe the PR has maybe led to a sanctimonious outlook which is just as grating as mourinho's dark arts. The moral high ground was always supposed to be about the style of football but I think some at the club actually perceive some kind of moral supremacy on all sorts of levels, and the PR dept are going to become a laughing stock (esp with the qatar deal coming up too) unless somebody gets a grip on this soon. None of this is to let mourinho off the hook, I don't think anyone is really fooled by his paranoia, but people will have seen adebayor's comments about cry-babies and sadly it will have struck a chord. On the positive side, I thought the overall gameplan worked much better than in the copa del rey final and I was massively reassured by having puyol back who coped with the pimp rather well. I think yet again, even with 11, Barca would have won, and yes it is a shame to decide a game that way, but if your gameplan is ultra-defensive and ultra-physical then that is the risk you will always take.
and worse, people will overlook the cynicism of Madrid's tactics which obviously riled everyone in the first place. I really don't know at what point it got like this but you never got this nonsense in the Cruyff years, zubi, koeman, laudrup, ferrer, julio salinas, beriguistain, guardiola himself were really dignified players, I don't think you ever had it in the Robson or Van Gaal eras either. I think something changed when player power asserted itself in the Rijkaard years and big egos like Deco arrived. Big salaries, tv contracts, an ever widening gap with the rest of la liga and people starting to believe the PR has maybe led to a sanctimonious outlook which is just as grating as mourinho's dark arts. The moral high ground was always supposed to be about the style of football but I think some at the club actually perceive some kind of moral supremacy on all sorts of levels, and the PR dept are going to become a laughing stock (esp with the qatar deal coming up too) unless somebody gets a grip on this soon. None of this is to let mourinho off the hook, I don't think anyone is really fooled by his paranoia, but people will have seen adebayor's comments about cry-babies and sadly it will have struck a chord. On the positive side, I thought the overall gameplan worked much better than in the copa del rey final and I was massively reassured by having puyol back who coped with the pimp rather well. I think yet again, even with 11, Barca would have won, and yes it is a shame to decide a game that way, but if your gameplan is ultra-defensive and ultra-physical then that is the risk you will always take.madwhitegiant
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The man is grade A bell end. I understand building the siege mentallity etc but to speak like this shows total lack of respect. He should be embarrsed. Bet he ain't though.
as i said, the panel on the channel i was watching, were disgusted with what he was saying.
he sat in a press conference and literally acted like a 5 year old, calling names and point fingers, passing blame
the article in the telegraph about probs in the spanish camp is right. the likes of sergio ramos, who's no angel let's be honest, are seemingly loving this 'hard done by' attitude. ronaldo in his post match interview was also saying about red cards for teams against barça.
mourinho is basically acting like a massive bell end, a bully that will never admit being wrong and instead tries to cover it by slinging mud.
pep just refused to comment on the matter or mou's accusations
he sat in a press conference and literally acted like a 5 year old, calling names and point fingers, passing blame
the article in the telegraph about probs in the spanish camp is right. the likes of sergio ramos, who's no angel let's be honest, are seemingly loving this 'hard done by' attitude. ronaldo in his post match interview was also saying about red cards for teams against barça.
mourinho is basically acting like a massive bell end, a bully that will never admit being wrong and instead tries to cover it by slinging mud.
pep just refused to comment on the matter or mou's accusations
Morbyd
Moderator
OK, so here's the problem.
For all you're saying about Mourinho, some of which is right, he still makes some valid points in between his mad raving.
It's easy to kill the messenger, but doesn't change the fact that Barca dive all over the pitch and (seemingly unfailingly when Mourinho's teams play them) get someone sent off. They get a lot of lucky calls in the Champions League.
Sure, it all evens out yada yada yada. Sure some calls go against them blah blah blah. But Barca do seem to be very lucky with officiating in the CL.
OK, it's poor sportsmanship to say some of the things Mourinho said in the way he did. But I understand why he feels hard done by.
And of course Pep wasn't going to comment... he'd already looked like an idiot taking the bait earlier in the week
ok, now the dust has settled, a few more sober thoughts. I spent hours reading the reaction to the game last night. Although the drama and the spite was hugely entertaining, my fear is that busquets and alves in particular have done massive damage to the Barca brand - more journalists are talking about them than messi's genius this morning
Completely agree, it's so frustrating to see Alves and Busquets do this, specially Alves, he's by far worst of all.
Maybe yesterday was a planned tactic though, I've never seen Pedro do it before for example. Barca have felt they weren't protected in the other clasico's with Arbeloa and Pepe kicking everyone on site.
And of course Pep wasn't going to comment... he'd already looked like an idiot taking the bait earlier in the week
looks like the rant paid off though, so it back fried on Mourinho for once
Did you read my bit about the inter v chelsea game earlier? Mourinho didnt mention this funnily enough..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6zrF3y4djc
Mourinho's win last year is tainted then, he must feel ashamed to gave won it last year
Mourinho antics are out of order case closed. The game was not enjoyable to watch because of all the acting, and the tactics that were used by both sides. The sending off changed the match. The only good thing is that the second leg will have to be played a little more open because of the 2 away goals. I fear the Barcelona may play in a shell with all to lose and nothing to gain by goals being scored.
you must be joking! for a neutral that was a game from heaven
it had everything drama, 2 cracking goals, spite, cynicism, violence, all the behind the scenes intrigue, the history, the politics, the sheer amount at stake. I mean what else do you want. I said this to morbyd the other week, games between Madrid and Barcelona are not normal football matches - it's not a normal knockout football match, it goes way beyond that.you must be joking! for a neutral that was a game from heaven
I lived in Spain and understand the regional implications and joy of a win or loss. My Spanish friends have let me know last night and today. I'm talking about the football on the pitch, Messi goal not with standing this was not one of the top 20 matches between the two sides.