The footy !!

Sack him, and it'll cost ya £24m if reports are correct.

another reason he should stay.

seriously though, there are probably only 1 or 2 coaches, that are possible options, i'd swop rafa for at the moment. hiddink is one and he's not really available.

anyone else would be change for change's sake. obviously if we get some new ownership, then it's a different story.
 
Reasons to be cheerful!

Old saggy chops bungpuss has been charged with tax evasion!

Let's hope he goes away for a long time! The ratbag.

All together now

Arry Redknapp's got a twitch E I E I O!

With a twitch twitch here a twitch twitch there

Here a twitch there a twitch everywhere a twitch twitch!!!

:lol: x 10000000000000
 
the problem at the moment is that whoever comes in has exactly the same problems as rafa (i.e. the owners don't give a **** and won't give him much cash), so that excludes the elite coaches. would i rather have rafa than mark hughes or o'neill or any other journeyman manager. yes!

people forget that it was this team pretty much, that came 2nd last year with our best ever points total in the premier league, which would have been good enough to take the title in over half the premiership campaigns. we lost it not cos we didn't beat the best, it was cos we drew at home to stoke and the like.

we're having a bad season no doubt and still only 5 points off 4th. i've personally been through much darker times as a liverpool fan, so whilst this sh1t is hard to watch, i'm not going ott.

but then again, i don't read or watch the UK media coverage.

Rafa needs to go if there is any chance for Liverpool.

What has happened to the Liverpool youth school??? Where are the English Players???

All that Rafa seems to do is buy in Failed Foreign journeymen players and for this reason alone he needs to fall on his sword.

I always respected Liverpool for their tough, street playing style of soccer that Daglish and now Gerrard display. You always knew you had a game of football after playing Liverpool.

Liverpool have lost what is is to be Liverpool....mainly due to all the foreign players in the Team. Someone like Martin O Neill will bring back some substance and nurture the talent in the youth squad.
 
Liverpool have lost what is is to be Liverpool....mainly due to all the foreign players in the Team. Someone like Martin O Neill will bring back some substance and nurture the talent in the youth squad.

Liverpool is based on pass and move, not street style, which is hardly an English or scouse trait. You mention dalglish and gerrard, they happen to be two of the best players to ever come from the UK.....so any comparison to that standard is wrong.

As for the youth, yes it's been a disaster, which is why rafa has had to buy foreign players. I know cos I watched the reserves most games until recently and the quality was awful. You can hardly expect him to play crap just cos they're homegrown crap. He's been in charge of the academy for about 2 seasons now and itll be a slow process. Wenger has had a decade to get where he is with the youth.
 
Liverpool is based on pass and move, not street style, which is hardly an English or scouse trait. You mention dalglish and gerrard, they happen to be two of the best players to ever come from the UK.....so any comparison to that standard is wrong.

As for the youth, yes it's been a disaster, which is why rafa has had to buy foreign players. I know cos I watched the reserves most games until recently and the quality was awful. You can hardly expect him to play crap just cos they're homegrown crap. He's been in charge of the academy for about 2 seasons now and itll be a slow process. Wenger has had a decade to get where he is with the youth.

I would not agree with you that Liverpool are essentialy a pass and move Team. You could apply that argument to every football team in England as fundamentally thats what the game is about. That said Im not a Liverpool fan so cant talk with authority....

What ever happened to the Famous Liverpool Boot Room philoposy that produced Shankley, Paisley , Fagan and Daglish ???

The whole set up at Anfield from the youth right up to the Senior squad is supposedly in the control of the Spaniards.

Reports say that Benitez and his squad of coaches and backroom staff have such iron clad contracts in place, that it would cost the club a fortune to remove them.......
 
Ever since Steve Heighway left the Academy it's failed to produce.

...and Aquilani's limited starts in 09 were due to a clause in his contract where a certain number of starting appearances would trigger an additional payment to Roma.

...but, despite all the turmoil we're still only 4 points from the last UCL slot :roll:
 
Ever since Steve Heighway left the Academy it's failed to produce.

...and Aquilani's limited starts in 09 were due to a clause in his contract where a certain number of starting appearances would trigger an additional payment to Roma.

...but, despite all the turmoil we're still only 4 points from the last UCL slot :roll:

it's because the academy wasn't producing that heighway left, well that was one of the reasons.
 
...but, despite all the turmoil we're still only 4 points from the last UCL slot :roll:


Looks like you, Spurs, City and Villa dont want Champions League the way all 4 sides are doing their utmost not to make it happen!

will be a very interesting final weekend...

Just dont order Lasagne.
 
I would not agree with you that Liverpool are essentialy a pass and move Team. You could apply that argument to every football team in England as fundamentally thats what the game is about. That said Im not a Liverpool fan so cant talk with authority....

What ever happened to the Famous Liverpool Boot Room philoposy that produced Shankley, Paisley , Fagan and Daglish ???

The whole set up at Anfield from the youth right up to the Senior squad is supposedly in the control of the Spaniards.

Reports say that Benitez and his squad of coaches and backroom staff have such iron clad contracts in place, that it would cost the club a fortune to remove them.......

we're not talking about what kind of team liverpool are, we're talking about the liverpool style and that is pass and move and a good old dose of hard work.

the bootroom is more about an idelogy and IMO its still in operation. houllier didn't graduate from there but was well grounded in the principles and rafa more so.

the idea of limited young UK players coming through is a general theme, not just one relevant to the UK. IMO and having heard the same arguments for 20 years since i was a kid at my first school of excellence, the failure of the FA to implement a solid, progressive training and development basis for football in the UK is nothing short of a scandal.

the majority of young english players don't play because they're not good enough, not because johnny foreigner is there. i'm basing this on the fact that i played alongside the cream of the crop of the uk's best in and around my age groups and barely a handful make a living from the game, let alone become stars.

to be frank, i couldn't give a sh!t how much it would cost us to get rid of rafa cos nobody i know wants him gone. i don't really blame anyone on here to be talking about rafa going cos it's hard to ignore with all the media bollox going off. at stoke on saturday and this wednesday coming, the fans rallied behind him more than ever. the amount who want him gone are in such a small minority that it's untrue, unfortunately within this minority are manor pundits and the muppets they let through to speak on talksport and 606.
 
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Looks like you, Spurs, City and Villa dont want Champions League the way all 4 sides are doing their utmost not to make it happen!
That's ok... we spent most of December trying to let Man U and Arsenal catch up with us. The plan didn't work though... still top of the league :lol:
 
i cannot complain

9pts clear (albeit with a game more played)

8 first teamers injured/suspended/international call-ups but still getting results

not spent a penny for 18 months in a financial crisis



:)
 
we're not talking about what kind of team liverpool are, we're talking about the liverpool style and that is pass and move and a good old dose of hard work.

the bootroom is more about an idelogy and IMO its still in operation. houllier didn't graduate from there but was well grounded in the principles and rafa more so.

the idea of limited young UK players coming through is a general theme, not just one relevant to the UK. IMO and having heard the same arguments for 20 years since i was a kid at my first school of excellence, the failure of the FA to implement a solid, progressive training and development basis for football in the UK is nothing short of a scandal.

the majority of young english players don't play because they're not good enough, not because johnny foreigner is there. i'm basing this on the fact that i played alongside the cream of the crop of the uk's best in and around my age groups and barely a handful make a living from the game, let alone become stars.

to be frank, i couldn't give a sh!t how much it would cost us to get rid of rafa cos nobody i know wants him gone. i don't really blame anyone on here to be talking about rafa going cos it's hard to ignore with all the media bollox going off. at stoke on saturday and this wednesday coming, the fans rallied behind him more than ever. the amount who want him gone are in such a small minority that it's untrue, unfortunately within this minority are manor pundits and the muppets they let through to speak on talksport and 606.

Good points there and you seem to be talking from the Horses mouth.

But as somebody looking in from the outside they dont look like the Liverpool of old. The passion seems to be gone, something that Reading had more of in the 2 legs of the Fa Cup, which Rafa rescheduled as Liverpools main objective this season.

I understand that their is much loyalty to Rafa in Liverpool after the teams champions league victory and his undoubted managerial experience. I dont think any other club would be as loyal to a manager.

Look at it this way, if the team continues to play poorley under Rafa, the longer he remains there, the harder and longer it will be to rebuild for the future. That said, he may well turn things around and football is an unpredictable game.

But if Liverpool dont qualify for the Champions Leauge 2010 there will be a summer of discontent at Anfield. Already, Torres looks like he's minding himself in anticipation of a move.....
 
i cannot complain

9pts clear (albeit with a game more played)

8 first teamers injured/suspended/international call-ups but still getting results

not spent a penny for 18 months in a financial crisis



:)

i can complain. looks mroe like we're gonna be in a fight for 2nd never mind trying to win the league with all the points we're hemorrhaging.
 
Good points there and you seem to be talking from the Horses mouth.

But as somebody looking in from the outside they dont look like the Liverpool of old. The passion seems to be gone, something that Reading had more of in the 2 legs of the Fa Cup, which Rafa rescheduled as Liverpools main objective this season.

I understand that their is much loyalty to Rafa in Liverpool after the teams champions league victory and his undoubted managerial experience. I dont think any other club would be as loyal to a manager.

Look at it this way, if the team continues to play poorley under Rafa, the longer he remains there, the harder and longer it will be to rebuild for the future. That said, he may well turn things around and football is an unpredictable game.

But if Liverpool dont qualify for the Champions Leauge 2010 there will be a summer of discontent at Anfield. Already, Torres looks like he's minding himself in anticipation of a move.....

it's just a bad season, and things are going from bad to worse seemingly. but like jammy keeps saying, we're 4 points off 4th place, 10 off united. on the form we've had, it's almost unbelievable.

i agree about the longer it goes on, the more it becomes the status quo, rather than a dip in form, but so does rafa, so i'm not worried about making the right decisions for the team and club. his hands are tied very much though financially.

as for torres and gerrard, they won't leave. i'm not being blind, gerrard will stay forever and it'd take a relegation for us to lose torres.
 
as for torres and gerrard, they won't leave. i'm not being blind, gerrard will stay forever and it'd take a relegation for us to lose torres.

I will have a pony with you (£25) that one or the other will not be at Liverpool next season.

I can run it through your betfair a/c if you like....
 
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