The footy !!

grego said:
one of the great sporting travesties in the history of the football league, the fact MK dons were allowed to cheat their way into the league in that way.

milton keynes fans should be well and truly ashamed of themselves.

it is the definition of anti-sport.

good on wimbledon
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Interesting stance, grego.

Of course, I come from a country where sports "franchises" move away in the middle of the night if the city doesn't build them a fancy new stadium every so often.

I think I do generally like the way European teams are more fixed. Unmovable.

And I really like the AFC Wimbledon story.
 
Morbyd said:
Interesting stance, grego.

Of course, I come from a country where sports "franchises" move away in the middle of the night if the city doesn't build them a fancy new stadium every so often.

I think I do generally like the way European teams are more fixed. Unmovable.

And I really like the AFC Wimbledon story.
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You have to be 'fixed'. Sports teams are formed in a certain place and people from that place have affinity with that team because they are local to it. I would HATE to have a situation where teams could just do one over to another city!! Awful!! Thats why i think, and i fully expect to be shouted down on this, that team sport matters more to the average fan in the UK then in the US.
 
onemore said:
team sport matters more to the average fan in the UK then in the US.
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Definitely not true. Americans are just as fanatical, and multifaceted at that.

They don't follow just one football and/or cricket and/or rugby team.

Americans will follow several teams at once - amer. football, basketball, baseball, and maybe football or hockey. They love their teams. They'll quote you all the stats off of the top of their heads. ESPN was around years before Sky Sports!

It's the system that screwy. The whole "franchise" idea as opposed to the club idea. It serves a purpose (for example, revenue sharing that helps level the playing field). But it also allows for the owners to sympathize with each other when one wants to move cities so that his team can have a bigger stadium with more luxury boxes. :?
 
Morbyd said:
Definitely not true. Americans are just as fanatical, and multifaceted at that.

They don't follow just one football and/or cricket and/or rugby team.

Americans will follow several teams at once - amer. football, basketball, baseball, and maybe football or hockey. They love their teams. They'll quote you all the stats off of the top of their heads. ESPN was around years before Sky Sports!

It's the system that screwy. The whole "franchise" idea as opposed to the club idea. It serves a purpose (for example, revenue sharing that helps level the playing field). But it also allows for the owners to sympathize with each other when one wants to move cities so that his team can have a bigger stadium with more luxury boxes. :?
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i take your point......but what happens when a team that is say a baseball team based in chicago upsticks and moves to say washington??? what do the fans do then??

I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to understand it??
 
onemore said:
the 25 applied to all squads though mate, so it wasn't a numbers prob in the squad...more like a lack of depth within that 25.
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We didn't have a full quota of 25 senior players, that's what I meant about the lack of depth think the original squad was about 19 senior players
 
onemore said:
i take your point......but what happens when a team that is say a baseball team based in chicago upsticks and moves to say washington??? what do the fans do then??

I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to understand it??
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In the USA teams have moved from city to city. The fans are left in the lurch. The fans either keep supporting the team or try to steal a team from someone else. The USA major sports do not have a relegation system, so the dreadful teams stay dreadful. The system is set up by greedy owner. The only team that is owned by a community is the Greenbay Packers NFL, they won the last Superbowl. The 4 major American sports team about 32 per sport on average per league sell for over a billion dollars when they change hands.
 
onemore said:
i take your point......but what happens when a team that is say a baseball team based in chicago upsticks and moves to say washington??? what do the fans do then??

I am not trying to be argumentative just trying to understand it??
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They get really upset!

Take my home town: Washington lost not one but two baseball teams called the Washington Senators - the first one moved to become the Minnesota Twins, then a few years after scoring a team in the league expansion, the new Senators moved to become the (Dallas) Texas Rangers :!:
(edit: just went back and read the Wiki on this... apparently, DC got that expansion team because the government threatened them with anti-trust action for letting Washington's team leave! I guess the threat eventually died down)

I was very young when it happened so I grew up in an environment of constant complaining about us not having a team. But people eventually sucked it up and supported the nearby Baltimore Orioles en masse. Eventually (and this happened since I moved abroad) we stole the nearly bankrupt Montreal Expos, who are now the Washington Nationals. :lol:

All quite messy. But at least we have a team :? That's how most cities who end up on the receiving end view it. People line up to buy season tickets, while local governments pay for stadiums and infrastructure improvements. Anything to get a team either through league expansion or luring some hard luck team in a problematic town.

Another good example is the Cleveland Browns, one of the founding teams of the NFL. Their owner, claiming financial hardship, moved them to Baltimore (now called the Ravens after the Edgar Allen Poe poem - probably the coolest American football team name!). The uproar in the city was so loud that the league imposed terms upon which the team name, history, records, etc. stayed in Cleveland for whenever another ownership group wanted to start a new Browns, which happened a couple of seasons later.

You even have a small percentage of fans that will continue to support the team after the move.

But again, I like the idea of a team belonging to its locale. This moving around business is destructive.
 
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Morbyd said:
They get really upset!

Take my home town: Washington lost not one but two baseball teams called the Washington Senators - the first one moved to become the Minnesota Twins, then a few years after scoring a team in the league expansion, the new Senators moved to become the (Dallas) Texas Rangers :!:
(edit: just went back and read the Wiki on this... apparently, DC got that expansion team because the government threatened them with anti-trust action for letting Washington's team leave! I guess the threat eventually died down)

I was very young when it happened so I grew up in an environment of constant complaining about us not having a team. But people eventually sucked it up and supported the nearby Baltimore Orioles en masse. Eventually (and this happened since I moved abroad) we stole the nearly bankrupt Montreal Expos, who are now the Washington Nationals. :lol:

All quite messy. But at least we have a team :? That's how most cities who end up on the receiving end view it. People line up to buy season tickets, while local governments pay for stadiums and infrastructure improvements. Anything to get a team either through league expansion or luring some hard luck team in a problematic town.

Another good example is the Cleveland Browns, one of the founding teams of the NFL. Their owner, claiming financial hardship, moved them to Baltimore (now called the Ravens after the Edgar Allen Poe poem - probably the coolest American football team name!). The uproar in the city was so loud that the league imposed terms upon which the team name, history, records, etc. stayed in Cleveland for whenever another ownership group wanted to start a new Browns, which happened a couple of seasons later.

You even have a small percentage of fans that will continue to support the team after the move.

But again, I like the idea of a team belonging to its locale. This moving around business is destructive.
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The Washington national were stolen from Montreal, now they don't have a baseball team.
 
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Morbyd said:
They get really upset!


But again, I like the idea of a team belonging to its locale. This moving around business is destructive.
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Don't forget the Seattle Supersonics or now known as the Oklahoma City Thunder! 8O

http://sonicsgate.org/

Or the good old Brooklyn Dodgers now the LA Dodgers. Shame but there you go and agree with the AFC Wimbledon sentiment, amazing.

More good football banter, apologies if already posted. Did make me chuckle.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60259521@N06/5747868491/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
Morbyd said:
They get really upset!

Take my home town: Washington lost not one but two baseball teams called the Washington Senators - the first one moved to become the Minnesota Twins, then a few years after scoring a team in the league expansion, the new Senators moved to become the (Dallas) Texas Rangers :!:
(edit: just went back and read the Wiki on this... apparently, DC got that expansion team because the government threatened them with anti-trust action for letting Washington's team leave! I guess the threat eventually died down)

I was very young when it happened so I grew up in an environment of constant complaining about us not having a team. But people eventually sucked it up and supported the nearby Baltimore Orioles en masse. Eventually (and this happened since I moved abroad) we stole the nearly bankrupt Montreal Expos, who are now the Washington Nationals. :lol:

All quite messy. But at least we have a team :? That's how most cities who end up on the receiving end view it. People line up to buy season tickets, while local governments pay for stadiums and infrastructure improvements. Anything to get a team either through league expansion or luring some hard luck team in a problematic town.

Another good example is the Cleveland Browns, one of the founding teams of the NFL. Their owner, claiming financial hardship, moved them to Baltimore (now called the Ravens after the Edgar Allen Poe poem - probably the coolest American football team name!). The uproar in the city was so loud that the league imposed terms upon which the team name, history, records, etc. stayed in Cleveland for whenever another ownership group wanted to start a new Browns, which happened a couple of seasons later.

You even have a small percentage of fans that will continue to support the team after the move.

But again, I like the idea of a team belonging to its locale. This moving around business is destructive.
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Is there a link between the amount of gun crime in the US and kids getting deserted by the one they love at such and early age?

We know divorce and/or abandonment can have an impact at such a tender age!
 
Ryan Giggs has admitted that he gets homesick sometimes. Although he likes living in Manchester, he does Miss Wales now and then..
 
Morbyd said:
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That puts their league match tix in the same price range as ours!
(and more than our cup and CL group stage tix)
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Platinum: £1370 over 19 games = £72.10

Gold: £1085 over 19 games = £57.10

Silver: £990 over 19 games = £52.10

Bronze: £895 over 19 games = £47.10

Platinum - Does include a cushion extra leg room and access to the exclusive C-Club :-), Its the billionaires and there boutique football club theory.

A bronze season ticket is £590 which is not bad value really. Trouble is the small stadium and the demand for tickets. Makes them think they can rip the arse out of it. Not as though Lakshmi Mittal needs anymore cash is it.

Never wishing we got promoted, im sure theres not a QPR fan despite being arse raped over the ticket prices that would of wanted to of stayed in the Championship.

Im actualy thinking of getting a season ticket but not sure id be able to attend some games due to other commitments so might just stay a member. Small stadium, london location = ££££££££££ although im sure even if we had a bigger stadium the greedy ****ers would still charge the same.

Price of success god knows how much they will put it up by when we reach the champions league :p:p:p:p
 
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