POOR INNOCENT MAN THAT WAS SHOT
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silvia said:chewie_oo7 said:silvia said:
isnt your personal privacy (emails/phone calls etc) same as your rights?
It's clear you can't understand it
then explain it to me then.
you said
"Again, I don't have anything to hide (except the milkman ) but if spanish governement start hearing phonecalls or reading emails (and as chewie said they are probably doing it right now) means they are cutting my right of intimacy and private life.
I don't think that it has to see with having something to hide, it has to see with your rights being cutted. Nobody cares about it? "
so whats the difference?
chewie_oo7 said:then explain it to me then.
you said
"Again, I don't have anything to hide (except the milkman ) but if spanish governement start hearing phonecalls or reading emails (and as chewie said they are probably doing it right now) means they are cutting my right of intimacy and private life.
I don't think that it has to see with having something to hide, it has to see with your rights being cutted. Nobody cares about it? "
so whats the difference?
Chewie, why should I explain it to you? You obviously agree with your rights being cutted, I don't. End of. I'm fed up of talking in circles
silvia said:jjinit said:Sorry syl, I disagree completely, and i doubt very much if they would read your emails, unless you were emailing suspected terrorists, so don't worry, Pepe will never find out about you and the milkman
I was sure you would disagree
Again, I don't have anything to hide (except the milkman
I don't think that it has to see with having something to hide, it has to see with your rights being cutted. Nobody cares about it?
I agree with you Silv with everything you have said till now, I want to add something,I don't stop hearing politicians say this terrorist not going to makes us change our way of life, I think they allready did it someway. from the moment that all the civil rigths our parents, grandparent fogth for, are starting to fail, from the moment the goverment can start to read our emails, spy our phone calls, etc, we are just chanching our point of view, our democratic principles. I don'y know if you get my point.
Reading through this post I think its interesting how its generally the people living abroad like Mikkak, Sil, Morbyd or Wimpers who are more against the police/government on the issue of the innocent shootings and that those living here are "happier" with it.
Maybe we live easier with the idea of innocent lives being lost because in the long run theres a lot smaller chance of being shot by policemen than being blown up a suicide bomber??
Or maybe its just a coincidence 8)
Maybe we live easier with the idea of innocent lives being lost because in the long run theres a lot smaller chance of being shot by policemen than being blown up a suicide bomber??
Or maybe its just a coincidence 8)
Ferd said:
Ferd don't forget we live terrorist panics too often due ETA
Hipercor bombing killed the parents of one of my school mate; I was 200 metres away from Vic bombing (one of the worst in Catalunya) and they blow up a car 50 metres away from my own home.
Probably we can be a bit more objective due the distance
silvia said:Ferd don't forget we live terrorist panics too often due ETA
Hipercor bombing killed the parents of one of my school mate; I was 200 metres away from Vic bombing (one of the worst in Catalunya) and they blow up a car 50 metres away from my own home.
Probably we can be a bit more objective due the distance
Sorry, I didnt mean to imply that those abroad havent experienced it in the past. 8) Its just here its still very much every morning when you get up, specially knowing there are still a number of bombers on the loose.
Maybe youre right about the distance giving you a more objective view
Personally the experience in the states of losing personal liberties for 'public safety' is akin to going to war with iraq because of September 11. It's a manipulation of people's fear to further a political agenda and it sacres the crap out of me. fully agree with Silv, Mikkak and Morbyd - these are fundamental rights that are part of a democratic society. When we willingly give these rights up, the terrorists win.
Morbyd
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A lot more people have died in Moscow in terrorist attacks this decade than in London. More died in my hometown of Washington as well. Strangely, no reports in either city of innocents being shot (though detentions in both were excessive).Ferd said:
I go back to the States to visit nowadays and I see how far down the wrong road the country has been going, basically because people in power have used fear of terrorism to advance their own agendas and erode our freedoms. I actually feel like a stranger at home sometimes, perhaps because I have a broader world view.
I love England. I'm there as often as I can be (about 10 times in the past 2 years) and I'd love to live there as the next stop on the Morbyd world toue. I don't want you guys to end up like the US.
Morbyd said:
Morbyd, I wasnt saying that other places dont suffer from terrorism, and im sure that if what happened here happened in where you are, you wouldnt change your views.
Im just saying that the people in Britain are generally more behind Blair's (and to an extent Bush's) policy on terrorism and Iraq etc than the rest of Europe. (Blairs popularity is bigger then ever when he said the police would continue the shoot to kill plicy)
The percentage of people that were in favour of the invasion of Iraq in Britain was greater than in Spain, France etc.. And this translates similarly to the situation created when the innocent Brazilian was killed. People here are probably less disgusted by the killing than in other parts of Europe. Im not saying which one is right, i was just trying to say that a difference in attitudes exists depending on where you are.