OBAMA is PRESIDENT!!!!

it still hasn't sunk in, i don't think it will for many months.

i have to say when i put his president credentials to you 3 years ago on here john, it was more fantasy than likely reality.

(in the words of obama himself)........."but, then *jfk style pause* something started to happen" :)

what has happened since through the primaries, the nomination, the election campaign has totally inspired me, and it is restored some faith that it has clearly inspired so many others too (even mccacin recognised this in his speech, that he admired how barack had inspired a new breed of voters)
 
I think for the first time in a looooong time there is a genuine aura of hope, and not just in America. We could genuinely be looking at the dawn of a brave new world or staring into the abyss (god I love a good cliche:D). I think for once every right- minded person wants him to succeed. Here's hoping!
 
grego said:
(even mccacin recognised this in his speech, that he admired how barack had inspired a new breed of voters)
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Got to admit McCain was VERY humble in defeat, while the dumb gash Palin just cried :lol:

You got US of A blood in ya then Gregorio ? Half american half woolyback ;) ?
 
weloveliam@space said:
Got to admit McCain was VERY humble in defeat, while the dumb gash Palin just cried :lol:

You got US of A blood in ya then Gregorio ? Half american half woolyback ;) ?
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not at all, just inspired by everything obama represents. like drew said, i feel represented by him, even in a country where i don't have suffrage.

pure irish-plastic-scouse-born-again-ibicenco btw ;)
 
the more think about it today, the more it appears to me that the colour of skin did work towards his victory. His message of change in a political sense was aligned with a very obvious visual change. He was the embodyment of his message. I dont think his call for radical change would have been heard above the din if say, John Edwards had made it.

I was also struck by how he pointed out that his grassroots upwards movement was the embodyment of govt for the people by the people.

Mccain is a patently decent man but his time was 8 yrs ago, before if got shafted by Bush.
 
MARKB said:
Not with you Tory lot about we won't. ;)
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excuse me, but its always the Nu Labour lot who make such a big deal about the "class divide", yet are lording it up themselves in their fancy mansions playing croquet, trying to erase any sense of Identity anyone has! :p

Class always an issue with the have nots. yet as soon as they come into a bit of cash, theyre suddenly middle class!
 
russ said:
the more think about it today, the more it appears to me that the colour of skin did work towards his victory
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JLK meets MLK. As much as I want to like the guy, I'm wary of anyone that's as slick as ol' Tone, and the fact once upon a time his manifesto would have put me out of a job.

Then on the flipside havign a black man in the spot is the most remarkable events of modern history, and for that I salute him.

He only got in IMO as the alternative was simply un-electable. The ancient McCain tried to play BO at his own game (because he had to) and he might aswell have had Ramos as his campaign manager.

Good luck to him, and good luck to America. I very much enjoyed their departing idiot for a good 8 years, and quite sad that that's come to an end, but there you go.

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anyway, good luck to Obama, he seems a throughly decent bloke.

Just avoid employing scumbags like Allistair Campbell and he'll do ok!
 
"Change" well lets see what happens...


- Will Obama repeal Patriot Acts I and II as well as reversing Bush’s signing statement and acknowledging the repeal of the John Warner Defense Authorization Act?


- Will Obama support Dennis Kucinich’s efforts to bring war crimes charges against Bush, Cheney and others for deceiving the country into a war or will he protect them against such charges like Nancy Pelosi has done?

- Will Obama bring war crimes charges against Bush, Cheney and others for authorizing torture and will the torture of suspects under U.S. detention, a complete violation of both the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions, cease under an Obama administration?


- Will Obama withdraw American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan without sending them away again to bomb another broken-backed third world country in the name of a UN-supported “humanitarian” war?


- Will Obama end the warrantless secret surveillance and phone-taps of American citizens?

- Will Obama follow through on his rhetorical support for the second amendment or will he seek to ban guns as he did in Illinois?


- Will Obama cease his support for the Bush-administration backed banker bailouts, hated by the majority of Americans, and target the real cause of the problem - the Federal Reserve - or will he continue to give taxpayers’ money to banks who are merely hoarding it all for themselves?


- Will Obama seek to continue the militarization of America and preparations for martial law through Northcom and the secret government or will he dismantle the police state that has been constructed over the last eight years by the Bush administration?

There can be no excuses - either Obama will be proven to be a liar or he will, backed by Democratic control of Congress and the Senate, follow through on his mandate for “change”.
 
russ said:
His message of change in a political sense was aligned with a very obvious visual change. He was the embodyment of his message. I dont think his call for radical change would have been heard above the din if say, John Edwards had made it.
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A valid point. But the polls taken after the 2 parties' nominations were settled showed he would have been 3-6% points further ahead of McCain if he'd have been white.

And I'll point to the numbers - 43% of the white vote compared to 41% for John Kerry in '04 and 42% for Al Gore in '00. 60% support among independent (non-party affiliated) voters. 2/3 of young voters. Better numbers among women and Hispanics than his Democratic predecessors. And here's the kicker - despite expectations to the contrary, there was no significant increase in Black voter turnout.

As I said in the other thread, I think he was elected DESPITE his race... people thought about it long and hard (which is why it took so long to open up a big lead in the polls) and in the end, they decided that it just didn't matter. The message was one they wanted to hear, and the messenger was far more impressive than his competitors no matter what he looks like.

And there's that hope thing someone mentioned above... there really does seem to be a little more of it in the world today from the reports I'm reading from around the globe. When has America been able to inspire that any time lately?
 
russ,

if i were a yank, i'd have voted for him, amomgst other reasons, because i'd feel like he represented me.

race would have had nada to do with it.

that said, the significance of his race in historical terms tho is undoubted and has what has made it more emotional for me personally.
 
There is lots of commentating and analysis of the result from all of the world's media, all looking for a unique angle on Obama's election victory.

- Some saying people voted for him because of the Black President on 24 :lol:
-Some saying African American's voted on race rather than policies
- Some saying it was his fresh approach.

Whatever the reasons that motivated such a huge turnout of voters, politics should be for the masses, that's what democracy is all about.

One thing is for sure, all those who voted for this man, regardless of their reasons, will feel they have played a part in his presidency and will be watching him, expecting change for the better. More people are now excited and interested in the politics of the US and that's a positive outcome.
 
I say congrats to all the americans who voted for Obama! :)

I think its hilarious that people think he is anywhere close to left-wing or even left of centre. Not at all!

And anyway, since when is socialism a bad word?

I have never seen so many non-Americans so happy over a US election and i think its completely understandable. Whatever happens in the US affects the rest of the world and its a huge sigh of relief for most people. I'm in New Zealand at the moment and that was all people were talking about yesterday, doesn't seem like they care about their own election coming up.. ha ha!

I really hope this does mean a change for the good and it will help Americans, as well as help change the attitude that unfortunately (but perhaps deserved.. am I going to get in trouble for saying that??;)) much of the world has of them.

Some Americans may not like the results, but the rest of the world seems pretty happy! :lol:
 
grego said:
russ,

if i were a yank, i'd have voted for him, amomgst other reasons, because i'd feel like he represented me.

race would have had nada to do with it.
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That's because you is white ;)

Seriously though, i too would have voted for Obama, mainly because he was the better option, and for his policies.
 
weloveliam@space said:
That's because you is white ;)

Seriously though, i too would have voted for Obama, mainly because he was the better option, and for his policies.
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i know its a joke but it also confuses the issue.

condoleeza rice isn't exactly the type of candidate that generally, would by race alone, get black votes.
 
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