Missing Madeline

grego said:
great post damo.

re: negligence. imagine if in the UK anywhere a couple left a 3 year old and 2 year old twins in their house whilst they went to the pub down the road.........and checked up on them every half hour (supposedly). social services would have the kids in custody in no time.
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Maybe they got a case of 'holiday brain' I'm sure they would not think of leaving them alone in the UK but people on holiday can suddenly throw 'normal' rules out the window.

I would NEVER personally leave a child alone, but they did and God knows they will have to live with that fact for the rest of their lives, regardless if they find her alive or not. I really feel for them, it was a stupid thing to do, but I'm sure they didn't go out thinking 'Hey lets leave them alone, our Daughter may get taken but lets go out anyway' :cry:
 
sandi said:
Maybe they got a case of 'holiday brain' I'm sure they would not think of leaving them alone in the UK but people on holiday can suddenly throw 'normal' rules out the window.

I would NEVER personally leave a child alone, but they did and God knows they will have to live with that fact for the rest of their lives, regardless if they find her alive or not. I really feel for them, it was a stupid thing to do, but I'm sure they didn't go out thinking 'Hey lets leave them alone, our Daughter may get taken but lets go out anyway' :cry:
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no no, i agree. it's only the same way people are disrespectful to locals, shoplift, vandalise, piss on the street, talk about/do drugs in public, don't wear crash helmets, etc when they are on holiday cos they are in that zone.

clearly though, the difference between the above examples and what they did doesn't need highlighted.
 
jjinit said:
It's common, amongst the less well to do areas of manchester (aka council estates) for there to be gangs of young kids sat outside pubs of an evening up to closing time whilst their "guadians" drink away their benefit money inside!!!
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Shameless springs to mind :lol:

(sorry couldnt resist)
 
I read an article yesterday about the subject and I was quite shocked to read that it's common in the UK to leave the kids sleeping at home while the parents are off to the pub for a drink or two. I don't know if it's true or not but here in Spain it's a big no no.
This article also talked about how different is the way that Scotland Yard and the POrtuguese police are dealing with it. While SY would publish every detail of the investigation in order to make sure that population will help, in Portugal (and actually in Spain) investigations are always secret.
 
silvia said:
I read an article yesterday about the subject and I was quite shocked to read that it's common in the UK to leave the kids sleeping at home while the parents are off to the pub for a drink or two. I don't know if it's true or not but here in Spain it's a big no no.
This article also talked about how different is the way that Scotland Yard and the POrtuguese police are dealing with it. While SY would publish every detail of the investigation in order to make sure that population will help, in Portugal (and actually in Spain) investigations are always secret.
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where did you read that??

i don't think it is common at all.:confused:
 
grego said:
where did you read that??

i don't think it is common at all.:confused:
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As Grego said I don't know anyone who leaves their kids home alone - it's actually illegal to leave (I think it is 12 year olds) kids at home without adult.
 
silvia said:
La Vanguardia. It's everything but yellow press.

http://www.lavanguardia.es/gen/2007...s-de-4-millones-de-euros-richard-branson.html
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i'm baffled by where they would get that from.:confused: i'm not being defensive or biased or blind to the facts or anything. i just seriously have not heard of a trait/characteristic/habit of people leaving young kids home alone to go the pub.

for sure, the odd incident and these are normal news worthy but a common practice, certainly not.

(por cierto, yellow press is not widely used in english anymore, we say 'gutter press')
 
Portugal

In 1999 my brother in law was stabbed whilst on a golfing holiday on the Algarve in Portugal, the assailants were a Brazilian gang who had apparantly been commiting burglaries in the golf complex for several weeks.
To say that the Portugese police were far from helpful is an understatement, although my Brother in Law subsequently survived the attack despite having an artery cut in this thigh and nearly bled to death, the gang were never prosecuted even though Two Swedish witnesses gave a positive ID on one of the gang and even told the police where he was working.
A half hearted arrest of the individual and subsequently two others of the gang took place a couple of days later, but after intervention from the Brazilian Consulate all investigations seemed to grind to a halt and the gang just moved out of the area onto richer pickings along the coast.
This was despite the fact that one of the gang was caught red handed with my Brother in Laws Tag watch (inscribed) and one of his credit cards. He claimed he had found them in a town 15 miles away and it was accepted.
When the British Consulate and members of the family made a fuss it was met with little more than a shrug of the shoulders as a response from the police.
When it was taken further back in the UK, the Foreign Office informed my Brother in Law that Portugal has a very low rate of recorded violent crime, and the Portugese authorities do anything possible to keep those crime figures low.
They see it as a threat to the tourism industry and tend to brush as much under the carpet as they possibly can.
We have spoken over the weekend of the missing girl in Portugal, and my Brother in Law is not in the least surprised that the Portugese seem reluctant to go into overdrive over the matter.

What a sorry state of affairs...
 
grego said:
i'm baffled by where they would get that from.:confused: i'm not being defensive or biased or blind to the facts or anything. i just seriously have not heard of a trait/characteristic/habit of people leaving young kids home alone to go the pub.

for sure, the odd incident and these are normal news worthy but a common practice, certainly not.

(por cierto, yellow press is not widely used in english anymore, we say 'gutter press')
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I've read in the New YOrk Times that nobody works from 2 to 4 in Spain cos EVERYBODY has a siesta, and let alone the bullfighting subject ;)
 
silvia said:
I've read in the New YOrk Times that nobody works from 2 to 4 in Spain cos EVERYBODY has a siesta, and let alone the bullfighting subject ;)
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EVERYBODY in mexico looks like this and drinks tequila all day and night

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:confused: You sound a bit offfended grego if that's the case contact la vanguardia but I remember you it's not me who wrote that
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silvia said:
:confused: You sound a bit offfended grego if that's the case contact la vanguardia but I remember you it's not me who wrote that
:confused:
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what, are you joking??:eek: :confused: i was making a similar joke to your spanish siestas joke.;)

i'm not at all offended, as i said above i'm just confused why/how a paper like la vanguardia would come up with a story like.
 
grego said:
what, are you joking??:eek: :confused: i was making a similar joke to your spanish siestas joke.;)

i'm not at all offended, as i said above i'm just confused why/how a paper like la vanguardia would come up with a story like.
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was it the lack of smiley in my mexican man post?;)
 
siasta

silvia said:
I've read in the New YOrk Times that nobody works from 2 to 4 in Spain cos EVERYBODY has a siesta, and let alone the bullfighting subject ;)
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They must look at me I'm a yank I think a siesta from 2-5 would be great. I came 2 Spain and wanted my siesta time. Who thinks no nap is a good thing. I must digress, some Americans do think things shut down for siesta. I think globalization is taking away the culture of many countries I think that is sad.

p.s. Why doesn't everyone in europe speak english and take dollars.
 
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