Is this the end for day parties in Ibiza?

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Why would Matinee have to be over? They can also start at 12.00 PM and continue till 10, 11 of 12 in the evening I think. Correct me if I'm wrong..

My apologies, I'd assumed that it ran primarily in the morning and early afternoon, and not into the evening. I'm sure it'll be still going in some way then.

Regarding the percieved uproar over this ruling, I think it's a cosmetic thing. I can understand the Ibenicos being sick of clubbers staggering around at 7 or 8 in the morning, and the percieved issues with after hours, but surely this is just as prevalent with drinkers? In fact, I'd assume their behaviour to be worse.

Regarding the authorities being 'seen' to be acting, I'd guess that, through a mixture of their good intentions, and their will to placate both the mainland, and the police, as well as locals, I think they're only going to make the situation worse.

At 6, or 7am, instead of going to after hours clubs, they'll now go into the hills to villas, private parties, illegal parties, splitting up the thousands (that may well be in only one or two clubs that are, up to a point, well regulated and at least have the facilities to deal with overdoses and the like) into small pockets all over the island. They'll be in villas and houses, which the police have far fewer rights to enter without complaints or permission, and you could have a situation where more drug deaths could occur as they may be in the middle of nowhere and hard to access for emergency services.

As for causing drugs to be taken less. Well you could argue that reported drug taking will be down, and drug taking in clubs will be down, but I'm not sure much else will change. It'll just be done away from prying eyes.
 
And for the record, I'm not too fussed personally, as I don't really do after hours clubs, and I've never been to DC10 or We Love before about 1pm.

I don't think it'll affect things too much.
 
My apologies, I'd assumed that it ran primarily in the morning and early afternoon, and not into the evening. I'm sure it'll be still going in some way then.

Regarding the percieved uproar over this ruling, I think it's a cosmetic thing. I can understand the Ibenicos being sick of clubbers staggering around at 7 or 8 in the morning, and the percieved issues with after hours, but surely this is just as prevalent with drinkers? In fact, I'd assume their behaviour to be worse.

Regarding the authorities being 'seen' to be acting, I'd guess that, through a mixture of their good intentions, and their will to placate both the mainland, and the police, as well as locals, I think they're only going to make the situation worse.

At 6, or 7am, instead of going to after hours clubs, they'll now go into the hills to villas, private parties, illegal parties, splitting up the thousands (that may well be in only one or two clubs that are, up to a point, well regulated and at least have the facilities to deal with overdoses and the like) into small pockets all over the island. They'll be in villas and houses, which the police have far fewer rights to enter without complaints or permission, and you could have a situation where more drug deaths could occur as they may be in the middle of nowhere and hard to access for emergency services.

As for causing drugs to be taken less. Well you could argue that reported drug taking will be down, and drug taking in clubs will be down, but I'm not sure much else will change. It'll just be done away from prying eyes.

I was just thinking the same thing.. Would'nt it be a much safer idea for the government to know that all these after-people are located in a few known places (clubs) in contrast to the idea that they are scattered all over the island? I assume they know that after-hours will continue, one way or another...
 
i'm afraid that being famous works both ways. whilst for the majority of our readers ibiza's clubbing reputation is a good thing, the majority of non clubbing folks see it as a bad thing. who in their right mind would want to spend a week here with you lot with yer 'ave-in-it large and yer carnage?????

i think ibiza uncovered is largely to blame for this

as you always point out theres so many different sides to ibiza

the clubbing crowd only occupy tiny little pockets of the island, its hardly in yer face everywhere is it?
 
i think ibiza uncovered is largely to blame for this

as you always point out theres so many different sides to ibiza

the clubbing crowd only occupy tiny little pockets of the island, its hardly in yer face everywhere is it?

Except for the massive billboards everywhere :D
 
I was just thinking the same thing.. Would'nt it be a much safer idea for the government to know that all these after-people are located in a few known places (clubs) in contrast to the idea that they are scattered all over the island? I assume they know that after-hours will continue, one way or another...

Totally. And I'm sure they must know this, but in a way, the consel have no choice. They have to do something, even if it's going to make things worse (for them).

I've also heard stuff about new police recruits being brought in for next year, and the guardia trying to change the laws regarding entry to private property, where they want villa owners to be legally responsible for what happens in their properties, though how the public would go for that I've no idea.

And that's the thing. I'm sure the clubs are to some, an unwanted eyesore. The argument that ibenicos don't 'understand' ibiza is redundant. Many of them have been on the islands for generations, and this is only a 'problem' for the last 20 years. it's more that we don't understand them. It's brought in a lot of money, but it's arguable just how much has gone back into the economy rather than club owners and businessmen. A balance has to be struck, but I think that's more to having respect for the locals and the fact it's their (and not our) island than clamping down on the clubs altogether.
 
''And that's the thing. I'm sure the clubs are to some, an unwanted eyesore. The argument that ibenicos don't 'understand' ibiza is redundant. Many of them have been on the islands for generations, and this is only a 'problem' for the last 20 years. it's more that we don't understand them. It's brought in a lot of money, but it's arguable just how much has gone back into the economy rather than club owners and businessmen. A balance has to be struck, but I think that's more to having respect for the locals and the fact it's their (and not our) island than clamping down on the clubs altogether'

Couldn't agree more, we have to remember we are usually only there for a couple of weeks in a year, whilst I wouldn't like to see after hours vclubs shut it won't be the end of the world, personally i never usually start in the dat until mid afternoon anyway, saying that I really wanted to go to Matinee next year!:cry:

Back to the point though, who are we to demand how the laws should be just so that we can enjoy our holiday for those few weeks!

Let's appreciate what we can do whilst appreciating that those that live there might have just got sick of the crap that we leave behind when we're gone!
 
... remember the clubs/afterhours are only there
for a couple of weeks in a year ...



what "crap" is "left behind" ?
are you talking of money ?

Sorry, my point was just that we have to respect the people who live there and there laws whatever they turn out to be! Personally I try to do this on every visit but not every holiday maker is the same!

Whilst we certainly leave a whole lot of money on the island I don't think it is shared out proportionally do you?
 
... we have to respect the people who live there ...
the part of playadenbossa where the worst evil of mankind (= clubbers) meets
for a few weeks during summer is more or less a ghosttown for the rest of the year .

... did you ever hear of any demonstrations from ibizencos against clubbers ?

... Whilst we certainly leave a whole lot of money on the island
I don't think it is shared out proportionally do you?
nowhere on the world the money is "shared proportionally"
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ps:
there are rumors that space will be transformed into a bingo-palace :-)
http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2007/pensioner_parties_151007_i.htm
 
the part of playadenbossa where the worst evil of mankind (= clubbers) meets
for a few weeks during summer is more or less a ghosttown for the rest of the year .

... did you ever hear of any demonstrations from ibizencos against clubbers ?


nowhere on the world the money is "shared proportionally"
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ps:
there are rumors that space will be transformed into a bingo-palace :-)
http://www.ibiza-spotlight.com/news/2007/pensioner_parties_151007_i.htm

Bingo you say, well I'll get my dobber (large bingo pen for those confused) ready for the big showdown!!:)
 
Bingo you say, well I'll get my dobber (large bingo pen for those confused) ready for the big showdown!!:)
Interesting, the article says the pensioners bring in little money. If this was true of the clubbers they would have been kicked out long ago. Kind of funny I came to Ibiza from America the 1st time strictly for the clubs. I go back for all of the island. I doubt many American's would find Ibiza the first time if it were not for the clubs, and Radio1 being a free billboard for the island every summer.
 
For the first time in a couple of years I feel like adding my comments to a thread ! Basically, I sit on both sides of the fence as I am a "family tourist" with 3 kids, seemingly sought out by the Council, as well as an "evil" clubber. The daytime clubs seem to be a pretty good way to "contain and control" the so-called mayhem. We go to the beach en famille til early afternoon in complete peace; not sure this would be the case if the party people didn't have anywhere to go...
I love Space and DC 10, though we do tend to go in the afternoon even when we don't have the kids with us. Advancing age requires more sleep between sessions ! It's got to be easier to police than villa parties and other private events, surely?
Ibiza has so much to offer everyone and for us as party people and as a family that is the draw year after year. I have always been surprised how few ugly scenes there are in Ibiza compared to lots of other towns and cities on a weekend and how amazingly well everyone gets along, considering the amount of legal and illegal mind-bending substances are consumed and how little sleep people get. It seems a testament to what is special about the island that it is not a constant blood bath...
I only know a few locals, but they seem happy to see things contained in certain areas and places.
 
the reality and image of the situation are two completely different things. i haven't seen a clubber (apart from dan and nostrum) all year, but joe family man (who still makes up the vast majority of holidaymakers to ibiza) is under the impression from the press and your good selves that ibiza is carnage island. that's why the politicians have to be sen to be doing something - whether it will help or not is debatable.
 
It would be very interesting to read some direct opinions in the press from the residents. What do they think? How do they feel in the summer? What impact does the summer season, clubbing or otherwise, have on their lives? If so, what would you like to see happening? Have any clubs or clubbers infringed on their daily routine? Does noise pollution affect them in the summer? Have they witnessed any drug use or disorderly behaviour in their area? Have they experienced any private parties in their area? Would you like to see any changes to the summer season schedules regarding opening and closing? Do you feel any change would lead to unpoliced private parties? Do they feel the politicians are working for them and their wishes?

Surely a questionnaire online or through the press on a local level would gauge opinions and feelings of the people who we are told are at the centre of this debate, the residents of Ibiza. After all from June to October, we are visitors and the overwhelming majority of us have the utmost respect for the island and its people.
 
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The shape of things to come?
Ibiza’s new after-hours rules...

The Voice of Freedom writes:

Today, following a night of heavy weather, there was a news-worthy perfect storm in the first half-dozen pages of the Diario de Ibiza. Beginning with the familiar-looking headline announcing banning of "after-hours" parties, from next summer. This is the second time in as many weeks this headline has appeared (Read here... ). Today's story includes the new (though already widely-guessed at) information that the law will now mandate 12 noon opening times for clubs (as opposed to 8AM). The article also includes mutterings from government sources about the poor citizens of Sant Josep (the only area of Ibiza which allowed after-hours) and all they suffered during last weekend's Space and DC10 closing fiestas. Where – the paper notes mournfully – the 6AM closing and 8AM opening meant "we have no day and night."

Interestingly, there is not a single quote from a local resident. The nearest the story gets to backing up the thesis that these infamous after-hours are impinging on the neighbourhood's quality of life is the improbable claim that people from Sa Carroca complained they weren't able to sleep because of the Space closing party. {For those of you who don't know, Sa Carroca is a hamlet on the road between Figueretes and Sant Josep – a good 5km from Space. I live between Sa Carroca and the club and can say with absolute confidence the only way anyone from Sa Carroca could have been disturbed by the noise from Space is if they got up, drove down to Playa d'en Bossa and hung outin the parking lot}

Without any apparent irony, the next full page story was on the lamentable proliferation of illegal parties this past summer. The very same government officials who are keen to stamp out the well-regulated and fiercely patrolled menace of after-hours discos are fretting at the fact that holiday makers are increasingly turning to throwing bashes in the countryside, villas, or at restaurants. None of this should come as a surprise to anyone with a rudimentary grasp of cause and effect. People come to Ibiza to party – if they can't go to a club they'll simply turn up the tunes, break out a few bottles and carry on wherever they are. What is particularly inconvenient about this for the Spanish government and police is that private houses are far more rigorously protected by law than clubs. And not to forget, drinking in the streets is legal in Spain...

Police can raid a club. They can't legally enter a private residence without a warrant. So, as one government official pointed out, the police have had the galling experience of turning up at a house with "200" cars parked outside and being informed it's a "birthday party." Additionally, attempts to curtail house parties are complicated by the fact that it's often hard to establish who owns a property. By the time police are in a position to break up a party, or indeed work out who owns a house, the partiers will be long gone.

One would think that – all this considered – the government would be looking at ways to allow regulated, legal after-hours parties. Obviously, they aren't. The only solution then, as far as they are concerned, is to make more draconian laws against private citizens and to – potentially – come up with new ways of invading the privacy of people's homes. It's an ominous prospect for Ibicencos because there is no way the government can make rules allowing them to break up parties on private property without infringing on rights of residents and tourists alike. So unless citizens wish to face the possibility that actual birthday parties might be raided by the police it seems unlikely they will support legislation aimed at giving cops dramatically expanded powers.

Any citizen would think twice about wanting expanded policing if they read the brief, innocuous looking story on a following page – one announcing the police are considering allowing onto the force auxiliary officers who haven't even received a school leaving certificate. In short, they're so hard up for man (or woman) power they're seriously contemplating putting people who didn't even have the wherewithal to finish high school onto the streets in a law enforcement capacity.

Given that, policing in Ibiza requires diplomacy, patience and a grasp of languages, is this really a good idea? Dealing with pesky tourists is, undoubtedly, trying at times for even the most well-educated, self-assured officer. While not having finished school is not necessarily a reflection on intelligence, it is bound to affect a person's confidence and decision making abilities. An officer who is less educated will feel less equipped to handle difficult situations and is more liable to get involved in confrontations, even violence. Like it or not, it is the job of the police force to deal with people; not vice versa. Maintaining a level of respect is necessary for the police to do their job properly, and this suggestion seems sure to undermine their authority when they need it most.

As the past season's spate of closures and confrontations has shown knee-jerk politicking is not the solution to Ibiza's problems. Right now, the government and police have a clear eight months in which to sit down and come up with constructive ideas. Let's hope they use their time wisely.
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(http://www.ibiza-voice.com/news/news.php?id=1319)
 
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