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zchas31 said:
I think Cream Ibiza ending is really really sad... for decades now Amnesia really has been at its most magnificent positive best in terms of atmosphere on Cream nights. This is not a natural death though unlike most ibiza club nights but an extremely premature one...

I think it was more a corporate pull of the plug by Live Nation's corporate types (Live Nation..the world's biggest concert promoter is the ultimate owner of Cream/Creamfields) as they are they most interested in massive festivals and not keen on chasing club nights. Amnesia I believe made a poor offer and the numbers were crunched and the corporate types with no real connection to Ibiza decided to pull the plug. The Cream Ibiza following is extremely huge... social media and otherwise and a very loyal one. The booking policy of the last few years may have been a tad too expensive and not as nurturing however this is a corporate plug pull.

People with more detailed knowledge may feel to elaborate now or with time.
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I think that's a big part of it.
One of the nails in the coffin though would of been Nick leaving Cream Ibiza (Or so I have heard), and he was the driving force for them...

white_isle_calling said:
If you look at what's going on there across the board, not just Thursdays, it seems - to me at least - that they wanted to take back more control of their door. And it was always going to be easier to negotiate a more favourable deal with newer promoters than existing ones.
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This makes sense to me.
 
elmooreo said:
Why are Sidney Charles and Shante not part of DNS anymore? Did DS f*ck them off as well?
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Darius said openly on his twitter it was their managers decision so they could promote their own label Avotre or something along them lines, but Darius then said he felt the b2b2b was just a gimmick and didnt want to be known as a trio. So probably suited all concerned
 
Fergi said:
Now we know they glory days of trance are long gone and Cream is not as big as it once was but I have enjoyed every single party there.

I am pretty gutted to be honest and for me this is as big as Space closing.

Surely this will open up a weekly smaller trance party somewhere else..
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Same!! I know change is inevitable but for me No Space, No Cream at Amnesia and Bora Bora apparently continuing to deteriorate over the years, coupled with ever increasing restrictions on the island regarding opening times, noise levels etc etc there is plenty more negative to mention VIP culture, cost of hotels never mind what else might happen this year!!

Im an optimistic person but it feels like the Ibiza I fell in love with from a clubbing perspective is dead and whilst i hope it changes following my visit this year im struggling to see how it can.
 
NilSatis said:
:D:D:D

I dont mind CC, but I do think a lot of people follow him just cos its a "credible" name that wont bring ridicule from anyone if they drop it when asked who did they hear play in Ibiza.
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Or the fans who have been following for 25 years who have always loved his passion, energy and technical ability.

Fans that have liked him regardless who was playing in the other tent or room.
 
most music people I know can't stand Carl Cox TM but kind of keep quiet about it, because he is a really nice guy. I take the view that he served a purpose, meeting the needs of people who want brash, big room, big noise, big production clubbing and who aren't necessarily that arsed about music or its finer points. I would be interested to check out carl cox playing a small, dark room anonymously to say 100-150 people, without the branding and hero worshippers and see whether, left to his own devices, he would still impress in the same way.... That he has lasted as long as he has in Ibiza nightlife's shark-infested waters is impressive though and for that alone I doff my cap.
 
As much as I'm not a huge fan of his anymore and I think a lot of what he plays is generic, big room music; I can't say that some of his sets in the past haven't impressed me. He's all night long set for the final ever Revolution was nothing short of superb from start to finish - plus it was nice to see him back behind the turntables again playing old records.

Plus as @Kim Wrong Un said above you have to respect someone who has lasted that long in Ibiza and who comes across as a very nice, humble gent with time for everyone. Nothing against him just not my personal cup of tea currently.
 
Kim Wrong Un said:
for some reason, whenever people come on to ask about carl cox, I read their posts in a slow, robotic dalek voice

Is.... Carl.... Cox.... playing... anywhere.... this....summer.... carl..... cox.... is.... master....of.... the... universe...
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Whilst holding up their phone to record themselves doing so...
 
bigtezza said:
Same!! I know change is inevitable but for me No Space, No Cream at Amnesia and Bora Bora apparently continuing to deteriorate over the years, coupled with ever increasing restrictions on the island regarding opening times, noise levels etc etc there is plenty more negative to mention VIP culture, cost of hotels never mind what else might happen this year!!

Im an optimistic person but it feels like the Ibiza I fell in love with from a clubbing perspective is dead and whilst i hope it changes following my visit this year im struggling to see how it can.
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I echo the same sentiments also with Cocoon leaving Amnesia as well. But it also seems a lot of stuff hasnt been announced and I'm just remaining hopeful we'll start to see some good nights and events with lineup info to get hyped up and I'm sure we will.

Cost of hotels is definitely up in San Antonio with all the renos, I can't afford the ones from last year but I'm also going more closer to peak season as well this time so I don't know if that's a part of it.

Sometimes I feel we're all just trying to hold on to the past when we visit ibz...
 
LuckyBlueSuit said:
I think that’s the problem Re trance - its completely lost its identity. Above and beyond haven’t played trance in years. PvD was in the trouse camp for a long time and may still be for all I know. There is still a lot of good quality trance around, much of it progressive and I agree with @Ikoda that a lot of techno djs are playing a lot of hypnotic trancey tunes now. I don’t know which came first, the down turn in the popularity of trance or the bandwagon jumping of the scenes biggest names to chase the dollar. The problem with the later is that those names remain associated with trance, it’s scene and it’s nights and have tainted the genre. Of course, trance hasn’t helped itself with far too many epic drops and vocals and general commercialisation but that is certainly not a new thing, that’s been happening since the 90’s.

It’s interesting how things evolve. It’s not that long ago that trance nights dominated in Ibiza. House nights are not what they used to be either.
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As someone who has been into trance for around 20 years now, I'm satisfied that *this* is the problem the trance scene has. People like Above & Beyond still play trance, regardless of whether it's the exact type of trance you personally like. The trance scene had unfortunately become a bit of a joke in that respect - associtaed with people wearing rose-tinted glasses and harking back to days that are long gone.

In reality, this doesn't bear out - I've experienced good trance in Ibiza, the UK, at festivals, clubs, all sorts, from the early 00s to now. It's still a decent scene. But unfortunately the internet and the opinions posted on it have more power than they should. Despite the fact the vast majority of the complainers never go to actual events, and those that do are still good music-loving up-for-it people, trance had become the bastard child of dance music in many ways. The weird kid that stands in the corner at parties dressed in a gravy-stained 2003 ASOT t-shirt creeping people out. It's sad, and it shouldn't be that way, but it is.

I have high hopes that trance can continue to do well. The trance contingent across the globe, from fans to DJs, still do a fine job. But it's going to remain the outsider for now. Maybe people like Nina Kraviz and Sven Vath playing old trance tracks in techno sets is the sign things are going to change, but then our ASOT t-shirts friends complain loudly about that online too.

And if you think any DJ, let alone those who play trance, are "chasing the dollar" you're clueless. I could write an essay on this.

I'm sorry if that came across as a personal attack, I do not intend it like that, its just that your post is a handy example of what I'm talking about, but it has angered and saddened me for years the way trance had gained such a bad name from people moaning about "the way things are going" online.
 
binaryfinary said:
As someone who has been into trance for around 20 years now, I'm satisfied that *this* is the problem the trance scene has. People like Above & Beyond still play trance, regardless of whether it's the exact type of trance you personally like. The trance scene had unfortunately become a bit of a joke in that respect - associtaed with people wearing rose-tinted glasses and harking back to days that are long gone.

In reality, this doesn't bear out - I've experienced good trance in Ibiza, the UK, at festivals, clubs, all sorts, from the early 00s to now. It's still a decent scene. But unfortunately the internet and the opinions posted on it have more power than they should. Despite the fact the vast majority of the complainers never go to actual events, and those that do are still good music-loving up-for-it people, trance had become the bastard child of dance music in many ways. The weird kid that stands in the corner at parties dressed in a gravy-stained 2003 ASOT t-shirt creeping people out. It's sad, and it shouldn't be that way, but it is.

I have high hopes that trance can continue to do well. The trance contingent across the globe, from fans to DJs, still do a fine job. But it's going to remain the outsider for now. Maybe people like Nina Kraviz and Sven Vath playing old trance tracks in techno sets is the sign things are going to change, but then our ASOT t-shirts friends complain loudly about that online too.

And if you think any DJ, let alone those who play trance, are "chasing the dollar" you're clueless. I could write an essay on this.

I'm sorry if that came across as a personal attack, I do not intend it like that, its just that your post is a handy example of what I'm talking about, but it has angered and saddened me for years the way trance had gained such a bad name from people moaning about "the way things are going" online.
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Strange response. You are agreeing with most of my post!

I think I’ve probably been around the scene as long or longer than you. I’m far from clueless, you just have a different opinion on some themes. It does t make your opinion any more or less valid.

Reality is the trance sound is not doing well around the world. Record sales, volume of events and attendances prove that. Most djs will tell you the same, gigs are hard to come by even at the top end of the market. There is a scene but it’s relatively small. Ironically there is an arguenrnt to say that after being overly commercial it is moving to be underground.

A number of djs have disassociated themselves from the trance sound to pursue more money. They evolved their sound to something that has very little to do with trance at all - avb, a and b, oakie, emery, miller, loads more I could mention. I totally disagree with you re a and b - their sound has very little to do with trance to my ears. There comes a time when you bastardise a sound to such an extent it is no longer what it is packaged to be.

I was the one that said there is plenty of trancey sounds being played by the likes of Sven and Nina, you are just agreeing with that. Add in various other techno djs like klock, dettman, liebing and pan pot.

You can get as angry as you like. There is a lot of good trance still out there, much of it progressive. Barone, mundi, de Jong, ottaviani, solarstone, activa, orkidea, o’glue, joc, Templar, estiva, etc are just a few of the producers that are making and playing terrific music and there are many more including a number of old skoolers. There are still events but they are few and far between. Nowhere reflects that more than the uk and Ibiza.

Not sure what the Internet comments are about as its not something I mentioned. But while we are on the theme go and have a look on the anjunabeats forum, most know a and b sold out trance a long time ago. That’s got nothing to do with harking back to the old days, the old days were great for me but music has evolved and so have I. See you at dc10 and cocoon, I hope.
 
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stivi said:
one I think, maybe two
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Thanks for that. I'm no technical expert, I only discovered this gossip thread about a week ago and I devoured all of it in about 2 days. I enjoy reading what you guys have to say. I just go by having a good time whatever the music and I've never had a bad time when Coxy has been playing.
 
mashednlovingit said:
“see whether, left to his own devices, he would still impress in the same way”

Really??
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My point is that he can play anything energetic and his fans will love it. But take him outside his comfort zone though and would it be the same..? Now
I read on here ages ago that he sometimes plays funk/rare groove sets in ibz which I’d deffo consider if i was about but i can’t imagine him ever playing the sort of druggy, heads down, sinking into the wall sub-124bpm set, which i’m mostly into. I think he said he hates deep house..
 
Yep, still plays the odd funk and soul set. You don’t stay that long in the game without building an eclectic record collection, bedsides that genre is his roots.

Totally with you on the big room stuff. Its become formulaic and boring. However, his Essential Mix in Jan gave me hope he still likes banging it out.
 
Kim Wrong Un said:
My point is that he can play anything energetic and his fans will love it. But take him outside his comfort zone though and would it be the same..? Now
I read on here ages ago that he sometimes plays funk/rare groove sets in ibz which I’d deffo consider if i was about but i can’t imagine him ever playing the sort of druggy, heads down, sinking into the wall sub-124bpm set, which i’m mostly into. I think he said he hates deep house..
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His soul funk parties at Sands were pretty good. I went to the last one and had a ball.
 
Kim Wrong Un said:
My point is that he can play anything energetic and his fans will love it. But take him outside his comfort zone though and would it be the same..? Now
I read on here ages ago that he sometimes plays funk/rare groove sets in ibz which I’d deffo consider if i was about but i can’t imagine him ever playing the sort of druggy, heads down, sinking into the wall sub-124bpm set, which i’m mostly into. I think he said he hates deep house..
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the answer is yes he most certainly can and does with regards to playing outside his "energetic comfort zone". I happen to catch him in different parts of the world year after year in very different environments and he consistently delivers. Consistently delivering is what has impressed me the most about him. I have seen many of the great and the good over the years and even the best are never as consistent as Carl Cox.

He very occasionally plays funk and soul sets in Ibiza but has not in the last few years. He however does plays a funk and soul set in a club after Ultra music festival ends in Miami every year.
 
Don't putt all people in same eggs basket :rolleyes:
Space opening or Closing last chapter ibz 16 ,i didnt went to see Carl Cox (all mates went :D) as I m more into House djs than Techno, don t like rammy places such flight aera last space opening chapter after 9pm & discoteca last space closing chapter, just went to his revolution party at space aug 16 at last mn (tank top, mini short & flip flop :D) as didnt have time to go back to hotel as i was supposed to drop mate to other mates flat (no way to pay 50€ for Cox but i did :lol:) but they ve succeeded to convince me, but one was sleeping hard that night around 2.00am & couldnt do the party :spank: ) .At benimussa park price was 15€ :cool: & better vibes than rammy Space .

Seeing him in small places is nice , Game over at benimussa park , mambo cafe, in 99,(i wish for a boat party ibz 18 or private after party for his bday end july, some good french contacts working for his promo team :cool:) i didnt know who was the black guy on decks :lol: until mate told me


Any gossip about Elrow pool party at Ibiza rocks hotel ? as same day ,last year i've already bought my elrow pool party early bird aug 8th
Not a good sign not having yet the announcement

Heart announced their opening yesterday night, May 24th but nobody cares? , gutted to miss it by one day
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